Anti-Creationists Backed Into a Corner?

AgapePress ^ | February 24, 2003 | Jim Brown

[USMA83]

Me either. A lot of venom out there. I resolved the issue to my satisfaction years ago through the works of Dr. A. E. Wildersmith, Dr. Henry Morris, and others. I guess the notion of science being the exploration and understanding of God's creation is passe. Newton would be disappointed.

[atlaw]

Thanks. I'll give your link a read.

[edsheppa]

More than 200 evolutionists have issued a statement ...

Just "more than 200 evos?" Nothing else special about them? It must be depressing when spin is all you have left.

[Dataman]

ummm... no. try again. science is self correcting and eternally critical.

I weary of evolutionist platitudes. Your statement is plain and simply false. If it were true, the article that started this thread would not have been posted. As it is, evolutionists are intolerant of criticism directed toward them or their precious fairy story.

BTW, self-correcting implies error. If evo were truly self-correcting, it would adjust the theory rather than blackball the critic.

that's what peer review and the scientific method is predicated upon. mistakes are made over the millenia, then they are corrected with better science.

Another stale platitude. The peer review process is as clean and pure and the Justice Department's investigation of itself under Janet Reno. "Peer" has been restricted to those friendly to the evolutionist propaganda. That makes it just a bit too circular for it to be taken seriously. Any more lukewarm platitudes?

show me where religion does that, and i'll have my shoes for dessert.

I hope you aren't wearing your hip boots. I can't speak for religion but I can speak for Christianity. First you need to understand that the truth does not need to be corrected. Only falsehoods need to be corrected. Christianity, therefore, could not be self-correcting. It is noted that sometimes interpretations can be incorrect. Not only was the Reformation evidence of man's willingness to clean his own house but the Catholic counter-reformation also testifies to that fact.

You can eat one boot now and save the other for lunch tomorrow.

[Ichneumon]

And so are many others who feel free to criticize that of which they are ignorant. Why? What gives some of you the built-in superiority to pontificate the truth about matters of which you are ignorant?

I don't know, but it certainly doesn't stop the anti-evolutionists -- I have yet to meet one who knew evolution even a tenth as well as he believed he did.

[Remedy]

Y'all can teach evolution in schools if you want, It won't bother me, but don't try to pass it off as Science.

Evolution can never be science. Call it atheology, that's what it is.

[GoreIsLove]

ftr 3tu890 eri[g det54@@

[staytrue]

schoolkids don't have the background to be the jury on that debate

You get a major mega dittos here. It is hard enough to teach Newtonian mechanics without telling the student the disclaimer that "all the physics we teach you is an approximation that ignores relativistic and quantum effects"

[f.Christian]

"make sense" ...


You never answered my question ---

"You think the geologic column formed from the above ? ? ?"

All of it ?

[realpatriot71]

umm... this one's too easy!

excuse me?

[Ichneumon]

[Just out of curiosity, what would the curriculum in a Creation Science class consist of?]

If you haven't got a clue, you are ignorant of the opposition's position.

I guess you don't know eiter then, or else surely you would have answered the question. Feel free to take a stab at it -- note that the word "science" is included in the question, so tailor your answer appropriately.

Subject-changing questions are a poor substitute for homework.

...so says the guy who repeatedly tried to derail an evolution thread by insisting that everyone answer his "why is there matter" tangent.

In this particular case, however, that question is hardly a change of subject, it's right on target. If creationists are going to whine about the alleged motives of people who don't think they deserve "equal time", they need to demonstrate that they have something worth being presented in science classes -- or else all their accusations about motives is just an attempt to distract attention from the *real* reason, which is that they've got nothing worth serious consideration.

[staytrue]

Is anyone here in favor of letting an atheist in Sunday school to teach the possiblity that god does not exist ?

[Ichneumon]

Comparative anatomy needs evolution like a rocket needs a sofa.
Genetics needs evolution like Ted Turner needs Jane.
Population dynamics needs evolution like a pencil needs a steering wheel.

Bumper-sticker slogan rebuttals. I can't say I find that terribly convincing.

[MineralMan]

"You never answered my question ---

"You think the geologic column formed from the above ? ? ?"

All of it ?
"

Of course not. I never said that. However, I no longer respond to your messages, except to ask that you write in some semblance of normal English. When you do that, I will respond. When you write gibberish, I will not.

[PatrickHenry]

Luddite alert.

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[Quix]

So, you are saying the implications of one are very useful and the implications of the other are not useful at all.

Seems rather short-sighted to me.

I believe the implications of Creation/Intelligent design are quite useful.

Alas, intelligent design will be co-opted by the ET scenario toward supporting the globalist government. That's NOT a good thing IMHO.

[G Larry]

How about a semester's worth of the lack of scientific support for evolution?

[Ichneumon]

or as my husband would say,"God said it and that settles it"

But it doesn't settle the issue of how he allegedly knows that God *did* say it. "This book says so" leaves a lot of unanswered questions in the chain of evidence.

[f.Christian]

Evolution is creative biological sociology (( ideology )) and it should be taught under anthropology (( pre history -- writing -- science )) ...

or maybe speculative geography // WHACK religions or political UFO science ===

arts // humanity // CRAFTS ... THEATRE === drama !

[f.Christian]

Evolution is gibberishisms !