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To be thoroughly principled, the freeloaders and parasites should leave America entirely, and start their own nation somewhere else. We doubt they would want to be so unprincipled as to not pay their fair share for national defense, and will recognize their freeloaderism and leave forthwith.

The free lunchers aren't about to leave.

They've posted this VERY old news, yet again ? This is far and away too, too funny ! LOL

" LORD OF THE FLIES " is a glimse at Libertarians' UTOPIA. Still and all, they are incapable of managing a picnic; let alone take over a state.

To be thoroughly principled, the freeloaders and parasites should leave America entirely

Well, that would require first agreeing on moving out of the country via heading north, south, east, or west. It would require a vote. Here is how it would actually sound like ( Note: this is an actual FSP conversation on voting I picked up from the website, I took the liberty to replace the name of a state with "direction". My changes are indicated by italics. Nothing else was edited and represents the actual original argument):

"The question I have is do we go with a direction that has a 'majority'? Meaning how many rounds do we do through?"

"No offense, but this is in the FAQ"

"I know it's mentioned there but that doesn't mean we shouldn't disscuss the advantages and dissadvantages of this system."

"the whole point is to measure preferences. If you like two directions -- let's say a strong preference for North and a minor preference for South over the rest of the directions -- and someone else only wants one direction (north), and doesn't give the least hoot about any other direction, CC measures those relative preferences."

"but if you give every direction a 5 then you basically haven't voted. If you give every direction a 5 except one which you give a 1 then in effect you've given an 'anti-vote' which you should be able to do. If you really hate one choice now you would have to evenly spread out your points to all the other directions instead of giving one direction a -10."

"Yes you have, and you've been allowed to indicate more "desire ponts" than someone who gives a 5, a 4, a 3, a 2, and a 1. "

"No thats not true because say someone voted, as you said, and gave a 5, 4, 3, 2, and 1. So the score would be North 5 South 4 East 3 West 2 to the moon 1. Now assume someone voted all 5s, the vote would be North 10 South 9 East 8 West 7 to the moon 6. So in other words nothing has changed the directions are all in the same order and no one direction improved or been diminished because you haven't indicated a preference of one over another. "

"if you don't know which direction is the frontrunner, it would be silly to give all your votes to one direction because you would be effectively risking everything on that 1 direction. If your 2nd and 3rd preferences, say, are even mildly important, you should assign some points to them and hope that if your 1st choice doesn't win, your 2nd or 3rd preference votes would make a difference."

"[but]Say that among 5,000 members, 2,000 want to opt for the East. They would know that their best bet is to cast their 10 votes for a country in the East. Say that the other 3,000 want to opt for a country in the West, but it is unclear which country has the best chance of winning, and most of the participants don't have a clear favoriite, knowing that whichever is chosen, they will have the support of the other two. As a result, the vote is split in some fashion, so that Iraq, Afghanastan and Pakistan each receive 1,000 votes. Thus Japan would be the winner even though it was the 4th choice of a majority."

"I would tend to think that what it means is that the pro-western factions would need to form an alliance and agree to all cast votes for a single direction. "

"Now doing this is what I've been talking about and now this system is not better than the regular voting for one choice. But imagine if the Westerners could vote a 'strongly approve' for their favorite, 'approve' for the other two directions, and 'strongly dissaprove' for South that way they can express thier true opinion without diluting their vote."

"I'm in favor of a vote of east vs. west, then settle which direction. "

"I'm quite concerned that we will have a vote between say East and West and the east guys split thier vote and the west guys all vote for Japan. At the same time like Phyllis said it could happen to the West guys where they have 2-3 choices and the east guys onely have one. "

"Why not each direction is ranked by the voter, from 1 to (the total number of directions). Then, if the winning direction does not get a majority, the bottom direction is dropped, and those that chose the bottom direction as their primary choice, then have their 2ND choice applied to the remaining directions, and the votes are recounted. This process continues until one direction has a majority."

It goes on and on and on and on......