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Conservatives Fight Over Islam
NewsMax.com ^ | Feb. 20, 2003 | Wes Vernon

Posted on 02/20/2003 4:19:54 PM PST by TLBSHOW

Conservatives Fight Over Islam

Wes Vernon, NewsMax.com

Thursday, Feb. 20, 2003

WASHINGTON – A fierce, nearly three-week running battle of accusations and counter-accusations between two conservative icons has brought to the front burner a long-festering debate among President Bush’s supporters on how far the White House should go in seeking Islamic support.

Frank Gaffney, president of the Center for Security Policy and a former assistant secretary of defense in the Reagan administration, has accused two White House officials – Ali Talbah and his predecessor Sukhail Khan – of putting President Bush in the company of “people who have made no secret of their sympathy for terrorists, provided them financial support, excused their murderous attacks and/or sought to impede the prosecution of the war against them.” Gaffney reiterated these charges in his Washington Times column Tuesday.

Gaffney’s initial comment in this flap came at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference on Jan. 31.

His remarks sparked a stinging rebuttal from Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform and one-time confidant of Newt Gingrich when the latter was speaker of the House.

“There is no place in the conservative movement for racial prejudice, religious bigotry or ethnic hatred,” Norquist told Gaffney in a Feb. 5 letter. He went on to accuse his fellow conservative of attacking each of the two White House officials because of their Muslim faith.

Norquist then banished Gaffney from further attendance at his influential coalition meetings that he holds every Wednesday, pending an accepted apology to Tulbah and Sukhail. He added, “It is important that we, as conservatives, stand up against bigotry, racism, and religious hatred whenever it raises its ugly head.”

Gaffney replied with a three-and-a-half page single-spaced letter to Norquist that offered no apology. Gaffney not only refused to apologize but also cited chapter and verse of quotes from radical Islamic fundamentalists (Wahhabists) who had been received cordially at the White House.

He also stressed that he had taken pains to “express distinction between such Islamists, and what is, I believe, the majority of Muslims in this country whom the former [Wahhabists] are determined to recruit, intimidate, and dominate through a variety of techniques.”

The CSP boss took Norquist to task for his involvement with Islamic Institute, through which, Gaffney argued, Norquist and his associates had been instrumental in “promoting and facilitating Wahabbis’ access to the executive and legislative branches of government” and thereby “could prove politically damaging and strategically detrimental to our cause and the well-being of our country.”

Norquist says Islamic Institute “was formed to promote within the Muslim world the fact that the Koran and Islam are perfectly consistent with a free and open society.”

In an interview with NewsMax.com, Norquist said he wrote his letter because the two young White House Muslims whom Gaffney criticized were merely underlings carrying out decisions made by more senior White House officials.

“He decided to single out the kid who was a Muslim in both cases, even though the people making decisions are Presbyterians and Catholics, not Muslims,” the ATR president said.

In his latest column, Gaffney reports that one Muslim representative in a group visiting the Oval Office just days after 9/11, Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, had said two days before the attack: “This country is facing a terrible fate. This country stands condemned.”

Why FBI Couldn’t Find Him

When FBI agents visited Yusuf’s home, they were stunned to learn from his wife that he was unavailable because he was with the president.

However, Norquist, while “not vouching for anyone,” said the Muslims who had access to the president passed muster with the Secret Service and the FBI or they wouldn’t have been there.

“If they were a security risk, not if they said something stupid, if they were a security risk or a problem ... the Secret Service would pull them out,” he said.

Gaffney describes as “bizarre” FBI Director Robert Mueller’s decision to speak to the American Muslim Council last year despite that group’s “long record of activities hostile to the Bush administration’s prosecution of the war on terror.”

Walking the sometimes unclear lines between peace-loving Muslim Americans and those who pose a threat is a dilemma symbolized by the bitter dispute between Gaffney and Norquist, two well-known conservatives in the Bush constituency.


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KEYWORDS: cair; gaffney; norquist; yusuf
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To: Poohbah
I believe it is possible to aid and comfort enemies of the U.S. without falling within the U.S. legal definition of "treason."
61 posted on 02/20/2003 7:48:01 PM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
Nope, I said he said it on fire over Las Vegas and that it exploded. And I, unlike him, was able to produce the post he said it in......a lot of them, in fact.
62 posted on 02/20/2003 7:48:02 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Did you hear the Sean Hannity show today with Debbie Schlussel?



IMPORTANT: Sean Hannity, on his show today, had a guest who discussed Grover Norquist.....according to her (don't remember her name), Pres. Bush called Al-Arian's son, and APOLOGIZED for this incident......Norquist knew/knows these people's backgrounds and the FBI did not want Al-Arian at the White House, but because of Norquist, Al-Arian has been at the White House. She also said Norquist mostly associates himself only with the Wahhabis (and extremist faction) and other extremist factions. She said no muslim gets to the President but through him, that he is the President's muslim adviser (I believe that is how she put it). I checked Sean's website, he doesn't have any of this info up that I could see, yet; perhaps later or perhaps tomorrow it will be up. I did find this article, however, on Newsmax:

by freeper nicmarlo
here
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/847827/posts?page=

I also found out tonight that her next column will have new information about Grover in it.
63 posted on 02/20/2003 7:49:03 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: Howlin

GWB posing with Islamic Jihad leader Sami Al-Arian

Bush's Terrorist Buddy

64 posted on 02/20/2003 7:49:33 PM PST by dagnabbit
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To: aristeides; Poohbah
Posts 21 and 23 are from two Freepers who heard the comments by Gaffney.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/838334/posts

In essence, Gaffney accused an aide of letting terrorist sympathizers in to see the President. Given that we are in a war against terrorism, it could be seen as an accusation of treason by some.
65 posted on 02/20/2003 7:49:49 PM PST by hchutch ("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
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To: aristeides
I believe it is possible to aid and comfort enemies of the U.S. without falling within the U.S. legal definition of "treason."

Perhaps you are merely ignorant: giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States IS the legal definition of treason, per Article III, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution.

66 posted on 02/20/2003 7:50:22 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: dagnabbit
Where does it say that they are FRIENDS?

After all, we've all seen pictures of Todd with Ann Coulter. I doubt they are friends.

67 posted on 02/20/2003 7:51:15 PM PST by Howlin
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To: TLBSHOW
Where is the proof that George W. Bush is FRIENDS with al-Arian?????
68 posted on 02/20/2003 7:52:09 PM PST by Howlin
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To: dagnabbit
BTW, I specifically said NO CAMPAIGN PHOTOS......nice try though.
69 posted on 02/20/2003 7:52:53 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Poohbah
Courts have held, for example, that the U.S. needs to be at war with the enemy in question before a person can be guilty of treason, in the legal sense. I'm a lawyer, and I repeat, it seems perfectly possible to me for someone to give aid and comfort to an enemy of the U.S. in a situation where a court will not find that the person is guilty of treason. For example, the U.S. may not happen to be in a state of war with that enemy.
70 posted on 02/20/2003 7:53:28 PM PST by aristeides
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To: Howlin; TLBSHOW
I read the thread, and I saw no claim by TLBSHOW that the shuttle had exploded over California. But I saw repeated claims by you that he had said that.
71 posted on 02/20/2003 7:55:08 PM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
Look, the fact is that Gaffney has not produced proof of his allegations. In essence, he has apparently SLANDERED a pair of White House aides.

Slander is NOT acceptable conduct - whether from the left OR from people on the right. Gaffney needs to produce proof or apologize.
72 posted on 02/20/2003 7:55:08 PM PST by hchutch ("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
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To: Poohbah; aristeides; TLBSHOW; Askel5; Jeff Head; dead; Jael; Sabertooth; 2sheep
Did Frank Gaffney actually present any evidence to support the allegations of treason he made against two White House staffers?

Did I see a picture of President Bush with person that was handcuffed today as a terrorist?

I can't believe this thread was moved to the backroom.....

Conservatives must want to hide their dirty laundry.

73 posted on 02/20/2003 7:55:25 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Howlin
And we're all going to see more pictures of Bush and Al-Arian - in Democrat campaing ads! And for this we can thank this idiot (or agenda pushing?) Mr. Norquist.
74 posted on 02/20/2003 7:56:36 PM PST by dagnabbit
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To: TLBSHOW
What is wrong with you? Why do you salivate over anything you "think" is the key to unraveling the Bush administration?

Of course for all your panting and near strokes, you wind up nowhere. Have you nothing else to do? Sheesh.

If it isn't bad enough, you jump around like some madman and then refuse to back up your outrageous rants. Get a good therapist. Please !!!!!!!!!

75 posted on 02/20/2003 7:56:38 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: aristeides
Yes he poohbah did say he said treason

To: TLBSHOW; hchutch

Having heard what Frank did at CPAC...I'm not siding with him unless he can substantiate his charges against the White House aide. I have this thing about disliking people who throw out accusations of treason against specific individuals without backup.


16 posted on 02/20/2003 9:25 PM EST by Poohbah


76 posted on 02/20/2003 7:57:24 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: Fred Mertz
Grover is going to answer for what he has done to the President.
77 posted on 02/20/2003 7:58:51 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: hchutch
"Slander" is a word that is used where the charge is not true. I have no opinion on whether the aides in question gave aid and comfort to our enemies -- I don't know enough about the aides and what they did. So I'm not prepared to admit that "slander" is a proper characterization.

And the mere fact that a court might not find the aides were guilty of treason is not a sufficient ground for saying that it was slander to accuse them of giving aid and comfort to our enemies. It's perfectly possible that what they did could reasonably be characterized as giving aid and comfort by a lay non-lawyer where a treason charge would not lie.

78 posted on 02/20/2003 7:59:07 PM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
Courts have held, for example, that the U.S. needs to be at war with the enemy in question before a person can be guilty of treason, in the legal sense. I'm a lawyer, and I repeat, it seems perfectly possible to me for someone to give aid and comfort to an enemy of the U.S. in a situation where a court will not find that the person is guilty of treason. For example, the U.S. may not happen to be in a state of war with that enemy.

Several Communists were charged with treason in 1949 and convicted in 1950, when there was no shooting war going on. The Rosenbergs were convicted of treason in passing atomic bomb secrets to the USSR during World War II, when we were actually ALLIED with the USSR at the time of the deed.

79 posted on 02/20/2003 8:00:17 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: TLBSHOW
Yes he poohbah did say he said treason

And you said just last night that George Bush was in bed with terrorists and is a traitor.

80 posted on 02/20/2003 8:01:15 PM PST by Howlin
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