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Conservatives Fight Over Islam
NewsMax.com ^ | Feb. 20, 2003 | Wes Vernon

Posted on 02/20/2003 4:19:54 PM PST by TLBSHOW

Conservatives Fight Over Islam

Wes Vernon, NewsMax.com

Thursday, Feb. 20, 2003

WASHINGTON – A fierce, nearly three-week running battle of accusations and counter-accusations between two conservative icons has brought to the front burner a long-festering debate among President Bush’s supporters on how far the White House should go in seeking Islamic support.

Frank Gaffney, president of the Center for Security Policy and a former assistant secretary of defense in the Reagan administration, has accused two White House officials – Ali Talbah and his predecessor Sukhail Khan – of putting President Bush in the company of “people who have made no secret of their sympathy for terrorists, provided them financial support, excused their murderous attacks and/or sought to impede the prosecution of the war against them.” Gaffney reiterated these charges in his Washington Times column Tuesday.

Gaffney’s initial comment in this flap came at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference on Jan. 31.

His remarks sparked a stinging rebuttal from Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform and one-time confidant of Newt Gingrich when the latter was speaker of the House.

“There is no place in the conservative movement for racial prejudice, religious bigotry or ethnic hatred,” Norquist told Gaffney in a Feb. 5 letter. He went on to accuse his fellow conservative of attacking each of the two White House officials because of their Muslim faith.

Norquist then banished Gaffney from further attendance at his influential coalition meetings that he holds every Wednesday, pending an accepted apology to Tulbah and Sukhail. He added, “It is important that we, as conservatives, stand up against bigotry, racism, and religious hatred whenever it raises its ugly head.”

Gaffney replied with a three-and-a-half page single-spaced letter to Norquist that offered no apology. Gaffney not only refused to apologize but also cited chapter and verse of quotes from radical Islamic fundamentalists (Wahhabists) who had been received cordially at the White House.

He also stressed that he had taken pains to “express distinction between such Islamists, and what is, I believe, the majority of Muslims in this country whom the former [Wahhabists] are determined to recruit, intimidate, and dominate through a variety of techniques.”

The CSP boss took Norquist to task for his involvement with Islamic Institute, through which, Gaffney argued, Norquist and his associates had been instrumental in “promoting and facilitating Wahabbis’ access to the executive and legislative branches of government” and thereby “could prove politically damaging and strategically detrimental to our cause and the well-being of our country.”

Norquist says Islamic Institute “was formed to promote within the Muslim world the fact that the Koran and Islam are perfectly consistent with a free and open society.”

In an interview with NewsMax.com, Norquist said he wrote his letter because the two young White House Muslims whom Gaffney criticized were merely underlings carrying out decisions made by more senior White House officials.

“He decided to single out the kid who was a Muslim in both cases, even though the people making decisions are Presbyterians and Catholics, not Muslims,” the ATR president said.

In his latest column, Gaffney reports that one Muslim representative in a group visiting the Oval Office just days after 9/11, Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, had said two days before the attack: “This country is facing a terrible fate. This country stands condemned.”

Why FBI Couldn’t Find Him

When FBI agents visited Yusuf’s home, they were stunned to learn from his wife that he was unavailable because he was with the president.

However, Norquist, while “not vouching for anyone,” said the Muslims who had access to the president passed muster with the Secret Service and the FBI or they wouldn’t have been there.

“If they were a security risk, not if they said something stupid, if they were a security risk or a problem ... the Secret Service would pull them out,” he said.

Gaffney describes as “bizarre” FBI Director Robert Mueller’s decision to speak to the American Muslim Council last year despite that group’s “long record of activities hostile to the Bush administration’s prosecution of the war on terror.”

Walking the sometimes unclear lines between peace-loving Muslim Americans and those who pose a threat is a dilemma symbolized by the bitter dispute between Gaffney and Norquist, two well-known conservatives in the Bush constituency.


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KEYWORDS: cair; gaffney; norquist; yusuf
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To: Jorge
Coward is a great word to describe him.

He's been asked repeatedly for proof and hasn't bothered to provide it.

And now I see he's on another thread, saying that the Republican Party is no better than Jimmy Carter and LBJ.

Add that to the fact he says Bush is a communist, a liberal, and just like Clinton, and you kind of get the picture why he's here.

221 posted on 02/20/2003 9:39:25 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Mo1
Looks like it still hasn't been opened

Shhhhh.......we're keeping the mystery alive. Some surmise that it's actually empty.

222 posted on 02/20/2003 9:39:52 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Fred Mertz
You didn't see the pictures...Big Dude,etc.

As far as I know, President Bush had his picture taken--why it's posted on this thread in the first fifty posts, I believe--with Professor Al-Arian, because the professor's son was a staffer for David Bonior. The picture evidently was taken at an event in 2000.

Who else that was arrested today has been pictured with President Bush?

223 posted on 02/20/2003 9:41:20 PM PST by cyncooper (God Be With President Bush)
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To: Howlin
And now I see he's on another thread, saying that the Republican Party is no better than Jimmy Carter and LBJ.
Add that to the fact he says Bush is a communist, a liberal, and just like Clinton, and you kind of get the picture why he's here.

Are you serious?

224 posted on 02/20/2003 9:41:49 PM PST by Mo1 (DC Chapter .. Patriots Rally for America IV .. on Saturday, March 1st)
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To: cyncooper
Here is the picture:

It's a CAMPAIGN PHOTO OP from 2000 in Florida!

It's kind of like this one:


225 posted on 02/20/2003 9:42:36 PM PST by Howlin
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
arrested, in arizona or florida? Sami Al-Arian --the guy on o'reilly? I'm trying to catch up with ya'll

Florida - yes, Sami Al Arian. Check Post #64 -it has a photo of Candidate Bush posing with Al Arian, as well as a link to A WND story explaining the photo

226 posted on 02/20/2003 9:42:53 PM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: Mo1
Yes, I am.
227 posted on 02/20/2003 9:42:57 PM PST by Howlin
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To: CFC__VRWC
And does it say in there that Bush and al-Arian were friends?
228 posted on 02/20/2003 9:43:30 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Mo1
Looks like it still hasn't been opened

LOL!

229 posted on 02/20/2003 9:45:09 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin; TLBSHOW
Where did he go.... he's off to other great adventures over in the News forum... yep that boy is really special. Hopping around from thread to thread.....
230 posted on 02/20/2003 9:45:50 PM PST by deport (Ratty rat...... but good.)
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To: CFC__VRWC
Do you know why o'reilly interviewed the guy and hammered him on his show in the fall of 2001?
231 posted on 02/20/2003 9:46:01 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops....)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Can you fill in the blanks for me? How is the guy named in the article connected to the folks arrested today?

The professor from Florida who had been on O'Reilly and was arrested today (along with others), he and his family were photographed with President and Mrs. Bush back in 2000, evidently because the professor's son was a staffer for David Bonior, hence his familiarity with the son. Yes, the prof was evidently invited to the WH once after that, too.

From that we are being informed the President was "friends" with the professor and now we are told President Bush was "close" with the professor.

I say President Bush must be very proud of the DOJ and the FBI for today's arrests, because he is NOT a friend to terrorists.

232 posted on 02/20/2003 9:46:18 PM PST by cyncooper (God Be With President Bush)
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To: deport
It's pretty obvious why he had to leave the thread. He can't back up his own words.
233 posted on 02/20/2003 9:46:29 PM PST by Howlin
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To: cyncooper
I saw o'reilly on hannity/fox/smith today... I saw part of the o'reilly interview. I wish I could remember all of the details...like what it was about the professor that got under o'reilly's collar. I'll go do a search. I have to tell you, i cannot believe the president would Knowingly hangout with a murderer..
234 posted on 02/20/2003 9:49:14 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops....)
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To: Howlin; TLBSHOW
That will get him back like a moth to a flame.... He want need to have someone speak for him them....


235 posted on 02/20/2003 9:50:30 PM PST by deport (Ratty rat...... but good.)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; Howlin; Poohbah
Post 21 and 23 had reports from two Freepers who heard Gaffney's comments at CPAC.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/838334/posts

He apparently singled out a specific aide and named the aide without offering proof to back up the accusations he made againt the aide.

Now, while I will admit that Norquist ought to be a little more careful who he associates with, he does seem to have a valid complaint with regards to Gaffney's comments at CPAC.
236 posted on 02/20/2003 9:50:34 PM PST by hchutch ("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
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To: deport
yep that boy is really special. Hopping around from thread to thread.....

You should try it, peabrain. You might learn something.

237 posted on 02/20/2003 9:51:57 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: dagnabbit
"Oh, so as long as they only kill a few people in an abortion clinic bombing...their brand of religious fanatacism is "not as bad" as Islamic radicals?"

Yes. As far as relative danger to the United States goes, there is no comparison.

Oh, so now we are supposed to decide issues of religious freedom not based on the character of it's adherant's crimes, but in the perception of "relative danger" to the US.

I don't think so.

"We don't declare war on entire religions because of radicals who commit crimes in their name."

Straw man - I specifically said Radical Islam is our enemy in this war. And it declared war on us.

You keep qualifying exactly who it is you think we should declare war on....while incrimentally moving away from the debate this thread has centered around. ...Condemning Bush for associating in anyway with Muslims.

Again, I say that is nonsense.

238 posted on 02/20/2003 9:52:27 PM PST by Jorge
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
The guy on O'Reilly was the guy who was arrested today in Florida.

Do a search on Catspaw; she posted a whole thread about it today, with good links.

239 posted on 02/20/2003 9:53:06 PM PST by Howlin
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Excerpts of the interview
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,35259,00.html

AL-ARIAN: It -- I'll be -- I'll be shocked because this -- this guy has an American citizenship, he was given security clearance by the FBI. I can't imagine that he is...

O'REILLY: OK, but he is. So there's another shocker. So that's three.

In -- in 1988, you did a little speaking engagement in Cleveland, and you were quoted as saying, "Jihad is our path. Victory to Islam. Death to Israel. Revolution. Revolution until victory. Rolling to Jerusalem." Did you say that?

AL-ARIAN: Let me just put it into context. When resident Bush talked about crusade, we understand what he meant here. The Muslim world thought he is going to carry a cross and go invade the Muslim world and turn them into Christians. We have to understand the context. When you say "Death to Israel," you mean death to occupation, death to apartheid, death to oppression, death to...

O'REILLY: But not death to any human being?

AL-ARIAN: No, absolutely not. Absolutely not.

O'REILLY: No.

AL-ARIAN: Absolutely not.

O'REILLY: All right. So now what we have here is you saying death to Israel. You're bringing a guy over here who gets paid by the good citizens of Florida and then goes back and becomes one of the lieutenants or generals of the Islamic jihad, but you don't know nothing about it. Another guy sets up an interview with Osama bin Laden for ABC, and you don know anything about that.

You know, Doctor, it looks to me like there's something wrong down there at the University of South Florida. Am I getting -- am I getting the wrong impression here?

AL-ARIAN: You're getting completely wrong impression because you can pick and choose and interpret it, you know, different ways.

The fact of the matter is we have been involved in intellectual-type activity. We brought dozens of people. All of them are intellectual type. You're going to get the apple -- a bad apple or two, but that -- if you focus on them, you get one conclusion.

The fact of the matter is that we've been investigated by the FBI for many years...

O'REILLY: Correct.

AL-ARIAN: ...and there has been no wrongdoing whatsoever even suggested.

O'REILLY: Well, I don't know about that. Your -- your brother-in-law is going to be deported right now. I mean, it looks like he's going to get kicked out of the country, correct?

AL-ARIAN: It has nothing to do with this. His deportation...

O'REILLY: It doesn't have anything to do with it? Your brother-in-law is going to get kicked out of the country and it doesn't have anything to do with it?

AL-ARIAN: No. Absolutely not.

O'REILLY: Does that come as a shock to you that he's going to get kicked out of the country?

AL-ARIAN: It was absolutely. As a Palestinian refugee, he lost his visa. He -- his status was not adjusted. It has nothing to do with all that. His deportation had to do with the denial of asylum. It has nothing to do with any of the stuff we're talking about.

O'REILLY: Yeah. Well, Doctor, you know, with all due respect -- I appreciate you coming on the program, but if I was the CIA, I'd follow you wherever you went. I'd follow you 24 hours...

240 posted on 02/20/2003 9:53:50 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops....)
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