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Seize marijuana market from criminal class
The Free Lance-Star (Fredericksburg, VA) ^ | 2/9/2003 | Kevin B. Zeese

Posted on 02/11/2003 6:49:57 AM PST by MrLeRoy

WASHINGTON--A friend recently remarked to me, "Alcohol is the original date-rape drug." That's very sadly true. And it's why I found it hypocritical that the national drug czar's new ad equating marijuana use with teen pregnancy should debut during the Super Bowl, in which beer and sex were the dominant advertising themes.

Teen drinking is the bigger problem, both in sheer numbers as well as health risks, yet the federal agency overseeing drug-control policy ignores it. An antiteen drinking commercial would have been a powerful counterpoint during that game; the antipot ad came off as a clumsy attempt to maintain beer's market share.

These ads are emblematic of the government's overall war on marijuana. Since marijuana was first federally outlawed in 1937, prohibition has had the perverse effect of making marijuana more popular, particularly among youth and the counterculture. Our government insists on staying the course even though there is no evidence that criminalizing marijuana has ever reduced its use, let alone its trafficking. Meanwhile, the focus on marijuana diverts attention away from more serious problems.

Historian Barbara Tuchman once defined folly in government as the perverse persistence in bad policy in spite of evidence of its failure and the existence of a reasonable alternative.

Marijuana prohibition is a clear example of this. Reports by governmental commissions in several countries point out its failure and call for drastic changes, from decriminalization (for example, the Shafer Commission in 1972) to legalization (a Canadian Senate committee report in 2002). So many of our political leaders have tried marijuana that it becomes news if a politician ever denies any "youthful indiscretions." And yet, still prohibition persists. Why?

Some argue that marijuana is a dangerous drug so it must be banned. Yet we've decided that the dangers of alcohol and tobacco present an acceptable risk, so let's compare:

Alcohol overdoses kill more than 15,000 people each year in the United States, and alcohol-related deaths push the toll up to more than 100,000 annually; marijuana, according to the scientific evidence, has not racked up a single overdose death in centuries of use.

Alcohol use is involved in 40 percent of the violent crimes committed in the United States annually; marijuana is associated with meditative, peaceful behavior, while violence in the marijuana trade is the result of prohibition, not the drug.

Tobacco use is credited with more than 400,000 deaths annually, according to the Surgeon General; in spite of decades of trying, the federal government has still not found anyone dying from marijuana use.

Clearly, marijuana prohibition is not justified by health concerns.

Prohibitionists say we don't need to legalize yet another drug because the ones we have do too much damage. That argument misses the point in many ways.

First, marijuana is widely used, legal or not. At least 21 million people used it last year, according to the federal Household Survey. (The real number is much higher, possibly 40 million; government surveys of illegal behavior are not noted for their accuracy and are widely believed to underreport the true totals.)

More important, marijuana is not simply another substance, it's a less dangerous--not safe, but less dangerous--alternative to drugs we already make available. And, if regulated as we do with alcohol, there would be guarantees of marijuana purity as well as regulation of potency, something the illegal market does not provide.

Prohibitionists counter: Ending marijuana prohibition "sends the wrong message" that legalizing drugs supposedly connotes societal approval of drug abuse. Oh, really? Then we need to bring back alcohol prohibition because, by that logic, legal alcohol sends the message that alcoholism and alcohol abuse are OK. Obviously, that's not true. And we're not going back to alcohol prohibition. We need to turn in a different direction.

It makes no sense to continue threatening people with arrest over their simple use of marijuana. A regulated system takes control of the marijuana market away from the criminals. This means age limits, just as we have for alcohol--drug dealers never ask for ID.

As for the "gateway" theory? Research shows that alcohol and tobacco are more likely suspects than marijuana. A recent study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that early alcohol and tobacco use were strong indicators of later drug use. That study's authors contended that the link between marijuana and other illegal drugs may be due solely to marijuana's illegality, nothing more.

A regulated marijuana market--similar to alcohol but a little more restricted (no Super Bowl marijuana promotions, for example)--is workable. And selling U.S.-grown marijuana through state-run outlets similar to Virginia's ABC stores could bring in millions in tax revenue to states and the federal government.

So why does prohibition persist? As Tuchman put it in her book "The March of Folly": "Wooden-headedness, the source of self-deception, is a factor that plays a remarkably large role in government. It consists in assessing a situation in terms of preconceived fixed notions while ignoring or rejecting any contrary signs. It is acting according to wish while not allowing oneself to be deflected by the facts."

Seventy years ago, we ended the tragic mistake that was alcohol prohibition. The time has now come to end the folly of marijuana prohibition.


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To: MrLeRoy
You could always hire a chauffeur -- maid -- butler .. .. .. build your own independece // village !
241 posted on 02/12/2003 2:53:59 PM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: f.Christian
There would have to be a law to impose the requirement; we could expect that law to work every bit as well as Prohibition did.

You could always hire a chauffeur -- maid -- butler .. .. .. build your own independece // village !

Nonresponsive.

242 posted on 02/12/2003 2:59:46 PM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: MrLeRoy
you're nonresponsive - - -

what is your fixation -- obsession on alcohol // drugs ---

insure -- bond your lifestyle // potential liability to live in a normal non dysfunctional society = = =

pay the high risk insurance that your lifestyle incurs to others =====

or live in a cave where you won't hurt anyone but yourself with your addictions // sickness ==== disease !

Post a bond and let the market place dictate the worth of your lifestyle and value system ==== bankrupt !
243 posted on 02/12/2003 3:12:16 PM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: f.Christian
you're nonresponsive - - -

Tu quoque.

what is your fixation -- obsession on alcohol // drugs ---

Ad hominem.

insure -- bond your lifestyle // potential liability to live in a normal non dysfunctional society = = =

There would have to be a law to impose the requirement; we could expect that law to work every bit as well as Prohibition did.

244 posted on 02/12/2003 3:14:52 PM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: f.Christian
Are you in a fog .. stupor .. haze ?

Yeah . . . drop the laws and let the insurance // liability companies do the regulation !
245 posted on 02/12/2003 3:15:47 PM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: f.Christian
Are you in a fog .. stupor .. haze ?

I use no drugs, including the deadly addictive drugs alcohol and tobacco.

Yeah . . . drop the laws

There would have to be a law to impose the requirement; we could expect that law to work every bit as well as Prohibition did.

246 posted on 02/12/2003 3:18:29 PM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: MrLeRoy
what is your fixation -- obsession on alcohol // drugs --- LAWS ? ? ?

247 posted on 02/12/2003 3:20:42 PM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: f.Christian
what is your fixation -- obsession on alcohol // drugs --- LAWS ? ? ?

I have no "fixation" or "obsession"---but your personal attack is duly noted. I am particularly concerned with this issue because it's one of the few on which self-professed "conservatives" take the anti-liberty side; as a conservative that bothers me.

248 posted on 02/12/2003 3:23:27 PM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: MrLeRoy
Free -- liberty are only the positive residual of natural // moral law !

Breaking them is the negative ==== death // BONDAGE !
249 posted on 02/12/2003 3:29:03 PM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: MrLeRoy
Laws are a result of people's ignorance (( like you ? )) who don't know // LIVE ===== right vs wrong !
250 posted on 02/12/2003 3:31:10 PM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: f.Christian
Free -- liberty are only the positive residual of natural // moral law !

Natural law gives government the authority only to defend individual liberties.

TTFN. Back tomorrow.

251 posted on 02/12/2003 3:32:58 PM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: MrLeRoy
Natural law gives government the authority only to defend individual liberties.

not vices !

252 posted on 02/12/2003 3:35:03 PM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: f.Christian
Natural law gives government the authority only to defend individual liberties.

not vices !

Natural law gives government no authority to defend vices---nor to prohibit vices that don't violate individual liberties.

(Now I really have to log off.)

253 posted on 02/12/2003 3:37:54 PM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: MrLeRoy
Galatians...chapter 5

13] For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
[14] For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[15] But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
[16] This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
[17] For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
[18] But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
[19] Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
[22] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
[24] And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
[25] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
[26] Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

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Gal.6

[1] Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
[2] Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

254 posted on 02/12/2003 3:45:42 PM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: MrLeRoy
Still want to give gramatically tortured trolls the benefit of the doubt?
255 posted on 02/12/2003 7:59:55 PM PST by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: tacticalogic
Free -- liberty are only the positive residual of natural // moral law !

Breaking them is the negative ==== lies // death // BONDAGE ==== slavery !
256 posted on 02/12/2003 10:30:03 PM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: f.Christian
[23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

So who's proposing a law against meekness and temperance?

[1] Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness

Putting your brother in a cage has no "spirit of meekness." Thanks for making a Scriptural case for an end to the War On Some Drugs.

257 posted on 02/13/2003 5:22:01 AM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: MrLeRoy
Thanks for making a case for an end to the War On Sanity.

258 posted on 02/13/2003 5:26:06 AM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: f.Christian
Thanks for making a case for an end to the War On Sanity.

Indeed, the War On Some Drugs is a War On Sanity and as such it should end.

259 posted on 02/13/2003 5:36:28 AM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: tacticalogic
Still want to give gramatically tortured trolls the benefit of the doubt?

I haven't seen any personal attacks from him. (Or any shred of rationality---but a policy of banning irrational posts would put FR on thin ice indeed.)

260 posted on 02/13/2003 5:39:18 AM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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