"Guru of Ganja" (Ed Rosenthal) convicted of marijuana cultivation

San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 01/31/03 | DAVID KRAVETS

[MikalM]

A federal jury Friday found Ed Rosenthal, the author of how-to-grow books on marijuana and how to avoid the law, guilty of marijuana cultivation and conspiracy charges.

Deliberating for a day, the 12-member jury concluded that Rosenthal, the self described "Guru of Ganja," was growing more than 1,000 plants, conspiring to cultivate marijuana and maintaining a warehouse for a growing operation. He faces a maximum life term when sentenced June 4.

[dcwusmc]

Politicians determined, starting about 1916 in this country, that lying to gain control over one or another group of people kept them in power. The WOsD started out in a pack of lies and continues that way to this very day. Politicians lied and have been lying, trying mightily to concoct a justification for this power grab ever since.

BTW, in exactly the same manner and for the same reasons as they try to justify the war on gun owners. CONTROL. But you LIKE to have that kind of power over others, don't you, roscoe? A disarmed victim won't endanger you as you kick in his door at 3 a.m., will he?

[philman_36]

That was the K.O.
Roscoe fell onto his own fist.
Did you see 500?

[jayef]

Yes. Despite his pandering he did not express any gratitude. You're right about that. What does this have to do with my original assertion and why won't you answer my question?

[Roscoe]

C'mon, at least try to rebut the facts.

[Roscoe]

Barr had a record.

So did Linder.

Another ignorant "point" crashes and burns.

[philman_36]

C'mon, at least try to rebut the facts.
What facts?
You've given no facts that show what those other Congresses used to determine "the injurious nature of illicit drugs" or "that the illicit drug trade is injurious to our society" yet.
I can't rebut what hasn't been given.

[jayef]

I was right. You are a bot.

[philman_36]

Arguing that other Congresses also recognized the injurious nature of illicit drugs further weakens your position.
I'm in complete agreement with you that other Congresses had information that they used in making their determinations. What information and evidence did they use to make their determination?
C'mon, at least try to rebut the facts.
I agree with you so there is no rebuttal from me on that point.
If you post something worth rebutting (refuting) I'll do so.

[jayef]

Look at posts 450 and 505. I spent time rebutting Roscoe and he posts the same reply to me twice. Is that not the height of botness?

[philman_36]

Does Congressional testimony help Congress make determinations?

[FreeTally]

Look at posts 450 and 505. I spent time rebutting Roscoe and he posts the same reply to me twice. Is that not the height of botness?

You weren't expecting anything else, were you? When you ignore him, he goes away. Give a sign that you will keep responding to him, and he'll keep posting nonsense and doing his "cut and paste" routine. It's all about wasting your time. It must be his fetish.

[jodorowsky]

I have long suspected that we are being used unwittingly as Turing Test participants.

"Refractory Online Sophistry/COnfusion Engine"

I recommend MegaHal.

Whoah! Did you get up on the now defunct thread means total diddly to you. Those in glass houses, should not throw stones.(oh that's right i forgot, you pro-potters will be in smoked form. There are over 400 chemicals in marijuana; if one or more are isolated and found to have therapeutic value, I'm sure they can be patented.

Rastafarian ideology teaches about Babylon referring to the Rastafarian movement is that the cops are wrong no matter what and should be hanged on the head with the weasel words to worm your way out of my very best intentions.

Sorry to break the earth shattering news to you libertarians.

[philman_36]

When you ignore him, he goes away.
I'm not going to ignore Roscoe nor do I want him to go away.
I want Roscoe to back up what he says...And our nation has determined that the illicit drug trade is injurious to our society... with evidence!
I want to watch Roscoe put the nails in the coffin he built for himself. A difficult task indeed, but he's capable of it!

[philman_36]

Come on Roscoe! I'm asking you to show what evidence was used for the CSA and the other previous laws to conclude "the injurious nature of illicit drugs" or that "the illicit drug trade is injurious to our society"
Facts got your tongue?

[Roscoe]

What facts?

These:

This title may be cited as the 'Controlled Substances Act'.

§ 801. Congressional findings and declarations: controlled substances.

The Congress makes the following findings and declarations:

• (1) Many of the drugs included within this subchapter have a useful and legitimate medical purpose and are necessary to maintain the health and general welfare of the American people.
• (2) The illegal importation, manufacture, distribution, and possession and improper use of controlled substances have a substantial and detrimental effect on the health and general welfare of the American people.
• (3) A major portion of the traffic in controlled substances flows through interstate and foreign commerce. Incidents of the traffic which are not an integral part of the interstate or foreign flow, such as manufacture, local distribution, and possession, nonetheless have a substantial and direct effect upon interstate commerce because -
  • (A) after manufacture, many controlled substances are transported in interstate commerce,
  • (B) controlled substances distributed locally usually have been transported in interstate commerce immediately before their distribution, and
  • (C) controlled substances possessed commonly flow through interstate commerce immediately prior to such possession.
• (4) Local distribution and possession of controlled substances contribute to swelling the interstate traffic in such substances.
• (5) Controlled substances manufactured and distributed intrastate cannot be differentiated from controlled substances manufactured and distributed interstate. Thus, it is not feasible to distinguish, in terms of controls, between controlled substances manufactured and distributed interstate and controlled substances manufactured and distributed intrastate.
• (6) Federal control of the intrastate incidents of the traffic in controlled substances is essential to the effective control of the interstate incidents of such traffic.
• (7) The United States is a party to the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, 1961, and other international conventions designed to establish effective control over international and domestic traffic in controlled substances.

[philman_36]

R-e-a-d i-t a-g-a-i-n!
I'm asking you to show what evidence was used for the CSA and the other previous laws to conclude "the injurious nature of illicit drugs" or that "the illicit drug trade is injurious to our society".

[philman_36]

For that matter, what evidence was used in making the determination to pass the CSA?
You can't even answer that! All you're doing is citing what the law says.
Would showing what was used to pass the CSA be damaging to you?

[jmvoodoo]

Since you seem to know so much about teenagers over-dosing and throwing their lives away over marijuana:

The DEA's Administrative Law Judge, Francis Young concluded: "In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating 10 raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death. Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within the supervised routine of medical care.:

Source: US Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Agency, "In the Matter of Marijuana Rescheduling Petition," [Docket #86-22], (September 6, 1988), p. 57.

[exnavy]

Your only post ever on FR, I'm honored.

[CWOJackson]

Oh geez, you don't think I'm a gentleman. Gasp! As if I could care what a rodent thinks.