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To: TonyTheTigger
Tony, you don't say what it is that the president has done that convinces you he's doing something INAPPROPRIATE regarding policy toward homosexuals.

1. I think it's terrible that homosexuals, and particularly men who have sex with men, are daily killing themselves via their behavior.

2. Despite that they are still citizens of the U.S. and endowed with all the rights thereof AS ADEQUATELY INTERPRETED by appropriate legal bodies.

3. It is ALSO immoral to deprive anyone of life, liberty, property without due process.

14 posted on 01/26/2003 8:59:23 PM PST by xzins (Prepare Ye the way of the Lord.)
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To: xzins
Hog wash
15 posted on 01/26/2003 9:08:55 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: xzins
I does not take a brain surgeon to figure it out
16 posted on 01/26/2003 9:09:38 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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To: xzins; Clint N. Suhks; scripter; George W. Bush

Tony, you don't say what it is that the president has done that convinces you he's doing something INAPPROPRIATE regarding policy toward homosexuals.

1. I think it's terrible that homosexuals, and particularly men who have sex with men, are daily killing themselves via their behavior.

2. Despite that they are still citizens of the U.S. and endowed with all the rights thereof AS ADEQUATELY INTERPRETED by appropriate legal bodies.

3. It is ALSO immoral to deprive anyone of life, liberty, property without due process.

14 posted on 01/26/2003 10:59 PM CST by xzins (Prepare Ye the way of the Lord.)

Bug Chasers:The men who long to be HIV+ Connects #1 to #3.

 Evangelical Christian who attacks 'gay deathstyle' appointed to US Presidential panel on HIV

AIDS and gay activists in the US have expressed dismay at the appointment of an evangelical Christian who, it is alleged, calls being gay a "deathstyle" to the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV and AIDS (PACHA).

The views of Thacker on HIV prevention have also caused concern. He is an advocate of the abstinence-only policy currently favoured by the Bush administration which says that sexual abstinence is the only sure way to prevent HIV, and does not mention condoms as an effective way of preventing HIV.

"We find him frightening", said David Smith, a spokesperson for the Human Rights Campaign, the largest gay rights organisation in the USA, on Thacker's appointment, adding that it was evidence that the Bush White House "is focusing on ideology not science when it comes to AIDS."

Scepter Institute - About the Founder How could it be? Jerry and Sue were committed Christians. They had been faithful to each other throughout their 14 years of marriage. They should never have been at risk for the disease. Then they remembered Sue's third pregnancy. The delivery had required a blood transfusion -- blood that investigators would later discover was tainted. Sue contracted HIV in the hospital. Jerry got the virus from Sue. The daughter born in that difficult delivery would later test positive for HIV, as well.

Sexual Abstinence Behind Uganda's AIDS Success Story Nairobi, Kenya (CNSNews.com) - Some experts say the dramatic drop in HIV/AIDS infections in Uganda is proof that abstinence from sex is the best way to combat the deadly disease, especially in the world's hardest-hit area, sub-Saharan Africa.

Citizens Against Government Waste

Since the first federal resources were made available to state and local health agencies for AIDS prevention in 1985, federal funding, which now includes money for research, treatment, and housing, has skyrocketed to $13 billion for fiscal 2003. As a result of the work of highly mobilized lobbying forces, more is spent per patient on AIDS than on any other disease, though it does not even currently rank among the top 15 causes of death in the United States. In one year, 1998, heart disease, the nation's leading cause of death, killed 724,859 Americans only 6.8 percent less than the 774,767 who have contracted AIDS in the last 20 years.2 Of those 774,767 total AIDS cases, 462,766 have died. During that same period, 14 million Americans 30 times more have died of heart disease.

Research expenditures at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) demonstrate the uneven use of federal resources. In 1996, NIH spent an average of $1,160 for every heart disease death, $4,700 for every cancer death, and a whopping $43,000 for every AIDS death.3 Even though they get far less research money, that year heart disease killed 24 times more and cancer killed 17 times more than the number of people who died from AIDS in 1996, when AIDS was still the seventh leading cause of death in the U.S.

 

The 'Gay Plague'

Jerry Thacker is an unlucky man.

He contracted AIDS from his wife after she contracted it from a blood transfusion during childbirth, and the disease also passed to the couple's daughter. Thacker's experience with AIDS drew an invitation to join a presidential commission to study the virus.

But the homosexual lobby, with the help of the pro-homosexual news media, torpedoed his appointment. [See Earlier Article]

Some time ago, you see, Thacker called AIDS "the gay plague," which everyone knows but no one will admit, particularly homosexuals and their friends in the Bush Administration. Bush factotum Ari Fleischer gave Thacker what Associated Press called a "stern rebuke."

Well, "stern rebukes" can't change the facts about AIDS, or the paradox of the homosexual positions on AIDS research funding and guys like Thacker. Homosexuals want research money, but deny, at least publicly, the obvious.

AIDS and Homosexuals
Thacker's story is sorrowful. Unlike the "victims" who contracted it by cavorting in a bathhouse broth of the virus, the Thackers were real victims.

His point is, homosexuals are mainly responsible for spreading it. Indeed, in the days when AIDS was more deadly than now, some homosexuals threatened "blood terrorism" by donating blood.

The homosexuals seemed to get control of the contagion with drugs and "safe sex," we were led to believe, but now comes Rolling Stone to prove Thacker's point. It has published a story about "bug-chasers," which refers to homosexuals who purposely contract the virus from "gift givers." It would be the "most erotic thing I can imagine," says "Carlos," an anonymous "bug chaser" who "hooks up" with three to four men weekly.

"Bug chasers" cause 25% of new AIDS cases, the article contends, data that scientists and professional homosexuals dispute. Indeed, two scientists quoted in the article disavow quotes attributed to them. [See Related Article]

But everyone admits "bug-chasing" and "gift giving" are real. Wackos like "Carlos" get a perverse thrill spreading AIDS. "I'm murdering him in a sense," the future "gift-giver" says, "killing him slowly, and that's sort of, as sick as it sounds, exciting to me."

Full Circle
So AIDS has come full circle.

Long ago, doctors traced the American AIDS epidemic, many believe, to Patient Zero, a homosexual airline steward who purposely spread what he told victims was "gay cancer." It became the No. 1 health problem for homosexuals, but seemed to subside as treatments improved, and homosexuals learned sodomizing 200 men annually, like "Carlos," isn't very healthy.

Now, AIDS is rising again, thanks to renewed homosexual promiscuity. As one repentant "bug chaser" who appears in Rolling Stone told Newsweek, "there are a large number of people having unsafe sex, and that's why the number of HIV infections is rising."

So what about Thacker's "gay-plague" remark? The government reports that men and boys account for 82% of AIDS, with 45% attributable to buggery. Do the math.

No one denies what Thacker said. They merely object to him saying it.

The Paradox
Thus, the paradox: If AIDS isn't a "gay plague," if it doesn't affect homosexuals more than any other group, then federal funding for AIDS research should not top the homosexual legislative agenda.

Yet such funding is atop their agenda; indeed, the homosexuals incessantly caterwaul about it. Special-interest groups, after all, don't lobby on issues that do not primarily affect them.

The homosexuals can protest, and that weenie Fleischer can "sternly rebuke" Thacker.

But they can't change the truth.

BURGER, C.J., Concurring Opinion

As the Court notes, ante at 192 , the proscriptions against sodomy have very "ancient roots." Decisions of individuals relating to homosexual conduct have been subject to state intervention throughout the history of Western civilization. Condemnation of those practices is firmly rooted in Judeo-Christian moral and ethical standards. Homosexual sodomy was a capital crime under Roman law. See Code Theod. 9.7.6; Code Just. 9.9.31. See also D. Bailey, Homosexuality [p*197] and the Western Christian Tradition 70-81 (1975). During the English Reformation, when powers of the ecclesiastical courts were transferred to the King's Courts, the first English statute criminalizing sodomy was passed. 25 Hen. VIII, ch. 6. Blackstone described "the infamous crime against nature" as an offense of "deeper malignity" than rape, a heinous act "the very mention of which is a disgrace to human nature," and "a crime not fit to be named." 4 W. Blackstone, Commentaries *215. The common law of England, including its prohibition of sodomy, became the received law of Georgia and the other Colonies. In 1816, the Georgia Legislature passed the statute at issue here, and that statute has been continuously in force in one form or another since that time. To hold that the act of homosexual sodomy is somehow protected as a fundamental right would be to cast aside millennia of moral teaching.

This is essentially not a question of personal "preferences," but rather of the legislative authority of the State. I find nothing in the Constitution depriving a State of the power to enact the statute challenged here.

Thomas Jefferson on Sodomy

Sect. XIV. Whosoever shall be guilty of rape, polygamy, or sodomy* with a man or woman, shall be punished; if a man, by castration, a woman, by boring through the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch in diameter at the least.

* Paragraph 25. H. 8. C. 6. Buggery is twofold. 1. With mankind, 2. With beasts. Buggery is the Genus, of which Sodomy and Bestiality, are the species. 12. Co. 37. Says, "note that Sodomy is with mankind." But Finch's L. B. 3. c. 24. "Sodomiary is a carnal copulation against nature, to wit, of man or woman in the same sex, or of either of them with beasts." 12. Co. 36. Says, "it appears by the ancient authorities of the law that this was felony." Yet the 25. H. 8. Declares it felony, as if supposed not the be so.... B. Fleta, L. i. c. 37. says, "pecorantes et Sodomitae in terra vivi confodiantur." The Mirror makes it treason. Bestiality can never make any progress; it cannot therefore be injurious to society in any great degree, which is the true measure of criminality in foro civili, and will ever be properly and severely punished, by universal derision. It may, therefore, be omitted. It was anciently punished with death, as it has been latterly. Ll. Aelfrid. 31. and 25. H. 8. c. 6. see Beccaria. Paragraph 31. Montesq.

Peterson, Merrill D. "Crimes and Punishments" Thomas Jefferson: Writings Public Papers (Literary Classics of the United States, Inc. 1984) pp. 355, 356.

The penalties for violating sodomy laws in the USA:

Idaho, 5 years to life

Oklahoma, 20 years

Michigan, 15 years

Mississippi, 10 years

Puerto Rico, 8 - 20 years

Louisiana, 5 years/$2000

South Carolina, 5 years/$500

North Carolina, 3 years

Virginia, 1-5 years

Alabama, 1 year/$2000

Missouri, 1 year/$1000

Kansas, 6 months/$1000

Utah, 6 months/$299

Florida, 60 days/$500

Texas, $500

210 posted on 01/28/2003 3:09:54 PM PST by Remedy
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