Email President Bush and confront him about his stand for homosexuals

Agape press ^ | 1/26/03 | Tony Horton

[TonyTheTigger]

To: president@whitehouse.gov; vice.president@whitehouse.gov Subject: Email President Bush and confront him about his stand for homosexuals

Dear Mr. President this is what the web page seen by millions will say. I also have a rather large size mailing list I will send this out to.

Email President Bush and confront him about his stand for homosexuals

To: president@whitehouse.gov, vice.president@whitehouse.gov

You will not receive my vote and I will make web pages after web pages exposing you for the fence straddling liar you have become. Ignore this if you want.... I will make good on what I promised you.

If this story is false I will not do what I have said. If I get no response I will take it to mean your guilty.

Bush White House, Clinton White House ... No Difference on Homosexuality

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http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/1/242003b.asp

A former voter for you,

Tony Horton

[George W. Bush]

I'm going to have to print it out for a better perusal. I'll also have to check on Rian Malan's expertise.

The article and the entire site raise good questions.

Malan is a South African Leftie journalist, scion of a leading apartheid family who repudiated apartheid back when whites didn't do such things in South Africa.

He wrote a well-known book about it. Currently, he does investigative reporting for Rolling Stone. It's interesting to see his own journey through the strange facts of AIDS science and how his conclusions change as he found out more and more, interviewing some of the top researchers and their evidence.

[George W. Bush]

But what about all those who died before the drugs came online?

Just an interesting tidbit I stumbled across that answers you better than I did:

"The non-infectious immunosuppressive agents associated with AIDS risk groups are extensive and diverse. They include a variety of addictive and recreational drugs, pharmacological agents, malnutrition and anal exposure to semen, an alloantigen known to cause immune suppression. AIDS appears, almost without exception, in groups of people who have an unusual amount of immunosuppressive risks. The typical AIDS patient has multiple concurrent infections with bacteria, viruses, fungi, yeasts and parasites, a substantial number of which are known to infect immune cells, known to disrupt immune function, are known to result in immune-cell death. The combination of these various infections can have pathological consequences that are quite different from their individual effects."

Rethinking AIDS: The Tragic Costs of a Premature Consensus
Dr. Robert Root-Bernstein

Interesting to see how what we call AIDS could be a result of lifestyle choices (sodomites/intravenous) or environmental factors (African heterosexuals) and not necessarily a virus at all.

[xzins]

The semen line: I've always been fascinated with Paul's line that includes "IN THEMSELVES." -- Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

He very likely elaborated a biological point here that escaped interpreters for generations.....until now.

[George W. Bush]

He very likely elaborated a biological point here that escaped interpreters for generations.....until now.

Well, I think you have a point. And I've considered that wording myself before.

You know, it's only in the modern era that we've elevated sex to such status. It must be clean and fun and done with all the lights on yada-yada-yada. That popular imagery doesn't hold up at the cellular level and it most certainly does not apply to sodomy.

Even without medical training, most people should at least understand that a vagina is very elastic but very tough tissue and, in comparison to the digestive tract, it is relatively hygenic. The anus and alimentary canal are in no way physically suited for entry and the repeated stress of invasive sex. Not even with a penis, let alone a fist as is sometimes the custom among sodomites no longer satisfied with mere buggery. The actual interior of the alimentary canal is relatively fragile and has a consistency generally described as similar to that of a soggy newspaper. And, in biological comparison to a vagina, it is absolutely filthy. The primary threat to health goes to the passive partner in sodomy whose tissue and, essentially, blood stream is opened up to any and all sorts of diseases. This is why hepatitis and other diseases have always claimed disproportionate numbers of sodomites.

The researcher's quote is interesting. But I have to say I don't fully understand exactly what he means by semen being alloantigenic with regard to anal sex even though he is clearly identifying it as a risk for immune suppression.

Yeow. I can't believe I wrote that stuff. If only them durn Methodists wouldn't ask such provocative questions...Oh, well, it was my quote originally so I was asking for it. I need to go back to the cruder and more direct descriptions I used to apply to discussions of sodomy.

[xzins]

Let me add to this (some of us methodists aren't really all that bad....very few.)

I think the real damage is done by the semen itself when deposited in the torn rectum. It invades the blood stream. What happens when foreign bodies invade the blood stream? They get attacked by white blood cells. What do white blood cells do? They develop antibodies AGAINST the foreign substance in the blood.

We have a male body that has developed antibodies against "maleness" -- sperm, dna, rna....itself.

This is the avenue by which immune suppression enters. These men have received in themselves a substance that will cause a biological attack against themselves by their own bodies.

Coupled with all the other viruses you've mentioned, the immune system blows up as a result of crossed wiring. The gay is reactive against himself. Autoimmune or anderimmune: one or the other.

doc, you're the doc. Is this a crazy idea, totally impossible?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Charting the disease's inception, it began to show up in the U.S. in 1981 in New York, San Francisco and Chicago, I think. This was 18 months after volunteers in the gay population had been innoculated with an experimental Hepatitis vaccine.

[Clint N. Suhks]

anal exposure to semen, an alloantigen known to cause immune suppression. AIDS appears, almost without exception, in groups of people who have an unusual amount of immunosuppressive risks.

If this were true it would appear that there is a link between fecal interaction, either through the urethra or other means too repugnant to talk about, and AIDS.

[Clint N. Suhks]

You know, it's only in the modern era that we've elevated sex to such status.

Yah, hasn’t the sexual revolution been great! This year we’re celebrating the thirtieth anniversary of Roe v. Wade and the removal of homosexuality from the DSM II, 1973 was a banner year. I think the best part of the 50’s was the traditional values of shame, shame of out of wedlock birth and shame of the practice of perversion, sometimes I think things were better then. Now we have homicide as a form of contraception and perversion as a healthy alternative to the family unit.

[George W. Bush]

I think the real damage is done by the semen itself when deposited in the torn rectum.

Well, I can't exactly speak to some of the other points you raise but there are a few things that are pretty obvious.

It is generally accepted medically that anal sex provides the gateway to so much disease because of the tearing to the anal tissue of the passive partner. If the bloodstream is opened in this way, then any lubricant used to ease the operation as well as fecal material already present in the rectum, will be rubbed into the opened wound in the tissue. In rape cases in prison or in ordinary sex, there is quite a bit of bleeding. This can never be a healthy thing. With regard to the early AIDS crisis and gay culture at that time in general, it was not unusual for men to enter bathhouses and use amyl nitrate and amphetamines and MDA and a whole variety of drugs (all very hard on the immune system) and have passive anal sex with 5 or 10 or more men in a single night. Most people don't recall it but there was some film taken in a bathhouse at that time which showed people doing exactly this. Outside sodomite circles, this sort of behavior is essentially unknown.

In this sense, anal sex is like injecting feces into your tissue and bloodstream.

It's hard to believe that anyone would do something so reckless to the health of someone they have any regard for or that anyone would allow someone to do this to them.

Even though we customarily think of sodomy as homosexual, there is quite a lot of it among modern heterosexuals too, a veritable plague of hedonism which entirely disregards the fragility of our flesh. So it's not particularly "homophobic" to make these observations. It is the practice itself which is so unnatural and unhealthy.

[George W. Bush]

Now we have homicide as a form of contraception and perversion as a healthy alternative to the family unit.

I still have some hope it may turn around. At least the abortion issue. After all, our opponents are murdering their own family lines out of existence. The math is on our side over the long haul.

[George W. Bush]

This was 18 months after volunteers in the gay population had been innoculated with an experimental Hepatitis vaccine.

Any followups on the incidence of AIDS diagnoses among the test subjects?

Hopefully, it wasn't the Hep B vaccine series I'm completing.

[editor-surveyor]

"Something's been added."

Yes, what has been added is a massive dose of propaganda and outright lies regarding the death rate. - The drug manufacturers make 20 billion a year on AIDS poison and they return a part of that to cooperative doctors and 'researchers.' - Money has a way of clouding peoples minds.

[editor-surveyor]

"This is the avenue by which immune suppression enters. These men have received in themselves a substance that will cause a biological attack against themselves by their own bodies."

This also happens when you have a vasectomy. It can cause loss of hearing, loss of teeth, and a type of anemia. - A vasectomy is really bad news, not just spiritually, but physiologically.

[George W. Bush]

This also happens when you have a vasectomy. It can cause loss of hearing, loss of teeth, and a type of anemia. - A vasectomy is really bad news, not just spiritually, but physiologically.

Interesting. Do you have any links to more info or studies?

Somehow, I just doubt a vasectomy is quite the hazard to health and life that the practice of sodomy has always been.

Boy, do you have a lot of posts to catch up on!

[ClancyJ]

So - homosexuals are not people?

Any with AIDS are to be given no medicines, no concern - rather hate?

You need a good dose of love instead of hate in your life.

Exactly what is Christian about hate of sick people?

Apparently you need to see a few people who live with AIDS - you would really enjoy their suffering.

Bush has the ability to hate the sin but love the sinner - apparently you do not. You just hate.

You don't realize how all your comments make you look. A pompous, better-than-thou, judge of others.

Why not let God do the judging?

[George W. Bush]

Thought I'd mention that:

1. TonyTheTigger was banned way back, re-registered and got banned again. All before ~#100
2. If you visit his website, it's an ex-gay site. He has renounced the sodomite lifestyle personally so he has pretty strong feelings about the matter.
3. Further:
   1. By PC standards, you are not allowed to criticize a sodomite
   2. By PC standards, being a sodomite is an immutable characteristic and therefore by PC standards, Tony is still a sodomite.
   3. Therefore, he is free to deny he is a sodomite and denounce it in any terms he likes but if you make any objection whatsoever to any position he takes, you are perpetrating a hate crime, even if you are putatively defending the rights of sodomites

Now, is all that perfectly clear, Clancy? If so, please explain it to me.

[ClancyJ]

Look - lay off the Church of Christ. I am a member and to find out what we believe you go to the Bible and do your best to follow instructions provided.

We do believe there are steps to salvation because we are told such in the Bible - not because we "choose" to believe that.

Repent for your sins, confess that Jesus is the Son of God and be baptised for the remission of those sins.

Why? Because it was told to us in the Bible.

How cavalier we would be to chose to confess that Jesus is the Son of God - yet claim there is no need for baptism. How does that show faith?

Now, I don't agree with the hate shown in these posts against homosexuals. I find it is not very caring of sinners. They chose to judge instead of trying to save these people.

I have found that we serve a lot better by treating people with love, teaching them the truth and helping them come to God.

How very cruel to sit in judgement of these people as they are sick and dying. Instead of worrying about their souls - they worry about spending money on their illness.

Doesn't sound very Christian to me - but I have had to see the horror of a young one dying of AIDS. They have been blessed and did not have to watch that.

Yet, the Church of Christ I am involved in has none of their attitude - rather reaches out to these people, takes food to their hospice and shows love and caring for their souls.

[George W. Bush]

Look - lay off the Church of Christ. I am a member...

Since TonyTheTigger is also CoC like you are, were your remarks intradenominational criticism? As I said before, he can't answer you anyway. Try sending email to his website.

[ClancyJ]

Yes, it was a sutle rebuke for a pompous, better-than-thou attitude that surely does more harm than good. IMPO. Yet it was directed to another who was trying to trash the Church of Christ.

[George W. Bush]

Yet it was directed to another who was trying to trash the Church of Christ.

Well, on strictly religious threads, everybody's church gets trashed. So, most of us are pretty thick-skinned. I wouldn't make too much of it. If you want to debate the theological merits of your church's positions on denominationalism or baptism, you should start a thread on that topic.

Actually, this thread wasn't really the place for Tony to make any particular representation of the CoC he attends. It may not necessarily be representative of that particular church. We simply don't know that much. And with Tony's undoubted difficulties in leaving behind a sodomy lifestyle, one might urge a certain charity toward him.

Since he is banned from FR, probably for a long time, then these things don't matter much. Tony was very abrasive to people here who are very conservative including clergymen. He made demonstably false accusations against them. And that might explain some of the inter-denominational language. But since that has not been the focus of the thread since Tony got banned, then it seems to me to be contrary to the interest of any CoC member like yourself to revive the topic on this thread.

Just a thought.