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To: beavus
Neither I nor Christianity says that man is part body and part spirit.-me-

Sorry bout that, it should have read DENY instead of SAYS.

Part of the problem is buying into this heavily repeated accusation that creationist opponents must be materialists. I suppose there are some materialists, but I'm certainly not one. And trust me, the world of human thought is a lot richer than a simple creationist/materialist dichotomy.

The statement below clearly implies your belief that everything is materialistic:

By contrary to our observations, I was referring to such notions as consciousness without a brain, vision without sense organs, actuation without matter or energy, and existence in a "universe" devoid of space and time.

That the non-material can be discerned from its effects on the material as art shows us gives proof that the immaterial is part of reality and can therefore be observed, studied and provide evidence for itself.

885 posted on 01/21/2003 7:39:40 PM PST by gore3000
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To: gore3000
Neither I nor Christianity says that man is part body and part spirit.
Sorry bout that, it should have read DENY instead of SAYS.

I see. I trust this is a true statement. I'm not sure why it is important to point it out at this point, but I'll keep it in mind.

The statement below clearly implies your belief that everything is materialistic:
By contrary to our observations, I was referring to such notions as consciousness without a brain, vision without sense organs, actuation without matter or energy, and existence in a "universe" devoid of space and time.

Maybe the key word here is "implies", b/c what I said is clearly consistent with anti-materialistic ideology. For example, I didn't deny consciousness exists (which is the characteristic materialist stance). I merely said that consciousness without a brain is contrary to our observations.

892 posted on 01/21/2003 8:17:02 PM PST by beavus (Uhh, hello? I'll take a quarter pounder and a dozen chicks in tight shorts to go, please.)
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