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To: beavus
We indeed can comprehend (quite well!) that the Sistine Chapel ceiling did not come about by a bunch of paint cans falling up.-me-

By contrary to our observations, I was referring to such notions as consciousness without a brain, vision without sense organs, actuation without matter or energy, and existence in a "universe" devoid of space and time.

Neither I nor Christianity says that man is part body and part spirit. That there is nothing but matter though is easily refuted - consciousness, conscience, intelligence, logic, mathematics, love have no material existence.

858 posted on 01/21/2003 4:43:57 PM PST by gore3000
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To: gore3000
Neither I nor Christianity says that man is part body and part spirit.

Okay. So?

That there is nothing but matter though is easily refuted - consciousness, conscience, intelligence, logic, mathematics, love have no material existence.

This sentence could be easily picked apart (not that it's false, only that there is room for dangerous ambiguity), but why try? Who here claims that there is nothing but matter?

I know you think you are responding considerately to my post, so I hold no grudge. However, try pealing away a few more presumptions and read it again.

Part of the problem is buying into this heavily repeated accusation that creationist opponents must be materialists. I suppose there are some materialists, but I'm certainly not one. And trust me, the world of human thought is a lot richer than a simple creationist/materialist dichotomy.

Just do me the favor of taking my words in their simplest most literal meaning first.

869 posted on 01/21/2003 6:01:10 PM PST by beavus (Uhh, hello? I'll take a quarter pounder and a dozen chicks in tight shorts to go, please.)
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To: gore3000
That there is nothing but matter though is easily refuted - consciousness, conscience, intelligence, logic, mathematics, love have no material existence.

BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA! Prove that there is anything there but simple chemical reactions or your own baseless creationist bias.

879 posted on 01/21/2003 7:17:37 PM PST by balrog666 (If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything - Mark Twain)
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To: gore3000
That there is nothing but matter though is easily refuted - consciousness, conscience, intelligence, logic, mathematics, love have no material existence.

Then how is it that dousing your neurons in alcohol (or other drugs) affects them?

923 posted on 01/22/2003 12:13:05 AM PST by Dan Day
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