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Oh good...I see I haven't been written off just yet, being "that close" and all. I re-read your rambling post 378 as you suggested, just to make sure I jumping to conclusions over your disapointing egg/placenta analogy/homology "defense." Though less than riveting, the following statement caught my attention:

"(blah, blah, blah, belaboring the point)...FURTHERMORE, an examination of placentas even among different mammals shows several "stages" of sophistication, showing that gore3000's "all or nothing" belief is not only pure hogwash, but based on a fundamental ignorance of basic biology...(yada, yada, rag on creationsits)..."

Though you desparately wish it weren't so, you were indeed making the case that the deep answers of evolution could be found the hamerhead-marsupial-cow-human placenta continuum. An as you correctly stated, only an idiot would believe this.

..."And it's not like this is PhD level stuff. I'm working on what I vaguely remember from high school biology, and from what I researched on the web in about an hour..."

This is readily obvious...Please try again, but limit you stream on consciousness writing style. (# 435, #213..whatever)

Diode,

You misunderstood the entire discussion obviously.

G3K claimed that there was either one or the other, Dan Day has given him examples of a number of in betweens that makes the argument that G3K stated as false.

The fact that such in between systems such as this exist, menas that it is NOT that big a leap to see how a system such as the Human system evolved in the first place.

It is NOT at all IMPOSSIBLE as G3K claims.

The fact that there are many in between systems makes it that much more likely that that is indeed what occurred, it is NOT impossible, but most probable.

That was the point, if you missed it, it was either because you ignored it, or just don't want to accept that fact that such stages make it indeed possible for our system to have EVOLVED. Oh no, NOT THAT!!!

"...FURTHERMORE, an examination of placentas even among different mammals shows several "stages" of sophistication, showing that gore3000's "all or nothing" belief is not only pure hogwash, but based on a fundamental ignorance of basic biology..."
Though you desparately wish it weren't so, you were indeed making the case that the deep answers of evolution could be found the hamerhead-marsupial-cow-human placenta continuum.

No, I wasn't, but thanks for missing the point so thoroughly.

Here's the point again, although it was clear enough the first time (i.e. post #378): Gore3000's claim rested on his belief that any egg-laying to placental-birth transition would have to happen in "one generation", because of his mistaken premise that nothing "in between" would be workable.

So I proved him wrong by showing several "in between" methods which provably worked just fine, because different animals actually use them. QED.

(You know, this wasn't that difficult, *and* it has been re-explained several times -- what's your excuse for still being befuddled by it?)

As I've already explained several times (do try to keep up), this line of argument holds even if Darwinian evolution happens not to be true. It would be valid even if we were arguing the possibility/impossibility of converting egg-laying to placental birth via a) Lamarckian inheritance, b) multi-generational genetic engineering, c) God trying his hand at gradualism, d) etc.

So are you clear on the concept yet, or shall I explain it in even smaller words?

An as you correctly stated, only an idiot would believe this.

And yet, you seem repeatedly drawn to such a concept...