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Refuting Darwinism, point by point
WorldNetDaily,com ^ | 1-11-03 | Interview of James Perloff

Posted on 01/11/2003 9:53:34 PM PST by DWar

EVOLUTION WATCH Refuting Darwinism, point by point Author's new book presents case against theory in just 83 pages

Posted: January 11, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

Editor's note: In 1999, author James Perloff wrote the popular "Tornado in a Junkyard," which summarizes much of the evidence against evolution and is considered one of the most understandable (while still scientifically accurate) books on the subject. Recently, WND talked with Perloff about his new book, "The Case Against Darwin."

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

QUESTION: Your new book is just 83 pages – and the type is large. What gives?

ANSWER: This past March I got a call from Ohio. There has been a battle there to allow critical examination of evolutionary theory in public schools, and a gentleman wanted 40 copies of Tornado to give to state legislators and school board members. I was delighted to send him the books, but I also knew that a state legislator isn't likely to pick up anything that's 321 pages long.

Q: And not just state legislators.

A: Right. We live in an age when parents often don't have time to read anything long, and their kids, who are usually more into video, may not have the inclination.

Q: So what's the focus of this book?

A: I've divided it into three chapters. The first is called "Is Darwin's Theory Relevant to Our Lives?" In other words, is the subject of this book worth my time or not? A lot of people think this is simply a science issue. And to some of them, science is booooring. But actually, it's the teaching of Darwin's theory as a "fact" that starts many young people doubting the existence of God. Once we stop believing in God, we discard his moral laws and start making up our own rules, which is basically why our society is in so much trouble. In short, Darwinism is very relevant – it's much more than a science matter.

Q: You, yourself, were an atheist for many years, were you not, as a result of evolutionary teaching?

A: That's right. I thought evolution had discredited the Bible. In my books, I give examples of notables who became atheists from being taught evolution, such as Stalin and Carnegie. In fact, the atheist Boy Scout who's been in the news reportedly attributes his atheism to being taught evolution.

Q: Why do you think evolution has such a persuasively negative effect on faith?

A: First, it's taught as "scientific fact." When kids hear "scientific fact," they think "truth." Who wants to go against truth? Second, it's the only viewpoint that's taught. After the Supreme Court kicked God out of schools in the '60s, kids heard the evolutionist viewpoint exclusively. It's like going to a courtroom – if you only heard the prosecutor's summation, you would probably think the defendant guilty. But if you only heard the defendant's attorney, you'd think "innocent." The truth is, we need to hear both sides, and kids haven't been getting it on the subject of origins.

Q: OK, then what?

A: The second chapter is "Evidence Against the Theory of Evolution." Let's face it, no matter what Darwinism's social ramifications, that alone would not be a sufficient basis to criticize it, if it were scientifically proven true.

Q: In a nutshell – if that's possible – what is the scientific evidence against Darwinism?

A: In the book, I focus on six areas of evidence. First, mutations – long claimed by evolutionists to be the building blocks of evolutionary change – are now known to remove information from the genetic code. They never create higher, more complex information – even in the rare cases of beneficial mutations, such as bacterial resistance to antibiotics. That has been laid out by Dr. Lee Spetner in his book "Not By Chance."

Q: What else?

A: Second, cells are now known to be far too complex to have originated by some chance concurrence of chemicals, as Darwin hypothesized and is still being claimed. We detail that in the book. Third, the human body has systems, such as blood clotting and the immune system, that are, in the words of biochemist Michael Behe, "irreducibly complex," meaning they cannot have evolved step-by-step. Behe articulated that in his book "Darwin's Black Box." And then there is the whole issue of transitional forms.

Q: What is a transitional form?

A: Darwin's theory envisioned that single-celled ancestors evolved into invertebrates (creatures without a backbone), who evolved into fish, who evolved into amphibians, who evolved into reptiles, who evolved into mammals. Now, a transitional form would be a creature intermediate between these. There would have to be a great many for Darwin's theory to be true.

Q: Are there?

A: There are three places to look for transitional forms. First, there's the living world around us. We see that it is distinctly divided – you have invertebrates, fish, amphibians, reptiles and mammals. But we don't see transitionals between them. If these creatures ever existed, why did none survive? It is too easy to explain it away by saying they all became extinct. And of course, there is the question: Why aren't these creatures evolving into each other today? Why aren't invertebrates evolving into fish today? Why aren't fish growing little legs and so forth?

Q: Where else would you look for a transitional form?

A: In the fossil record. And here we have a problem of almost comparable magnitude. We find no fossils showing how the invertebrates evolved, or demonstrating that they came from a common ancestor. That's why you hear of the "Cambrian explosion." And while there are billions of fossils of both invertebrates and fish, fossils linking them are missing. Of course, there are some transitional fossils cited by evolutionists. However, two points about that. First, there should be a lot more if Darwin's theory is correct. Second, 99 percent of the biology of an organism is in its soft anatomy, which you cannot access in a fossil – this makes it easy to invest a fossil with a highly subjective opinion. The Piltdown Man and the recent Archaeoraptor are examples of how easy it is to be misled by preconceptions in this arena.

Q: What is the other place where you can look for transitional forms?

A: Microscopically, in the cell itself. Dr. Michael Denton, the Australian molecular biologist, examined these creatures on a molecular level and found no evidence whatsoever for the fish-amphibian-reptile-mammal sequence. He summarized his findings in his book "Evolution: A Theory in Crisis."

The last chapter is "Re-evaluating Some Evidences Used to Support the Theory" of evolution. That would include evidences that have been discredited, and also some evidences presented as proof that in fact rest on assumptions.

Q: What evidences have been discredited?

A: Ernst Haeckel's comparative embryo drawings. The human body being laden with "vestigial structures" from our animal past. Human blood and sea water having the same percentage of salt. Babies being born with "monkey tails." These are not foundational evidences, but they still hold sway in the public mind.

Q: You mentioned assumptions as proofs.

A: Yes. Anatomical similarities between men and animals are said to prove common ancestry. But intelligent design also results in innumerable similarities, as in the case of two makes of automobile. Also, what has been called "microevolution" – minor adaptive changes within a type of animal – is extrapolated as evidence for "macroevolution" – the changing of one kind of animal into another. However, a species is normally endowed with a rich gene pool that permits a certain amount of variation and adaptation. Certainly, those things happen. But the change is ordinarily limited to the confines of the gene pool. It doesn't mean a fish could adapt its way into being a human.

Q: You covered a lot of this ground in "Tornado in a Junkyard." Can readers expect something new from "The Case Against Darwin"?

A: There is a bit of new material, but no, if you've read "Tornado," or for that matter, if you read the July 2001 Whistleblower, where we looked at evolution, you already know most of the points. What's new is the size. This is a book to give to a busy friend, a book for a high-school student to share with his science teacher.

"The Case Against Darwin" by James Perloff is available from ShopNetDaily.


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To: bondserv
From an engineering point of view we are beyond marvelous.

Says you. Yet another variation of the now famous, "That puddle has the perfect amount of water in it!" way of thinking. "Beyond marvelous" according to what criteria? Methinks HIV is "beyond marvelous" for its niche. Methinks starfish are "beyond marvelous" for their niche. Vultures, bunny rabbits, and palm trees are, you guessed it, "beyond marvelous" too. I hardly think we'd be too marvelous if we had to live underwater or in a tree or cave. Thats called biology, perhaps you should try learning about it someday.

Our vertebra is not "marvelous" for our way of locomotion. Our eyes are hardly marvelous in today's world. My appendix and wisdom teeth as well as my African friends sickle cell anemia is hardly marvelous. I could go on, but you'd miss the point anyway.
201 posted on 01/13/2003 8:49:53 AM PST by whattajoke (...looking skyward for that lightning strike, 30 years and waiting!)
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To: Phaedrus
Repeating the same refuted lies over and over again does not give them any additional truth value.
202 posted on 01/13/2003 8:54:13 AM PST by Dimensio
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To: jlogajan
You know - they completely try to force the whole thing into definitions that work in their favor, instead of looking at the realtiy of it -

Successful diversity survives longer, and makes more babies with the good trait.

203 posted on 01/13/2003 8:59:28 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (Yes, I'm a statist neocon RINO imperialist. Do you got a problem with that?)
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To: Dimensio
Didn't George Costanza have a rule for this? "If you repeat it so often that you start to believe it yourself, it isn't a lie".
204 posted on 01/13/2003 9:01:11 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (Yes, I'm a statist neocon RINO imperialist. Do you got a problem with that?)
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To: DWar
Not intellectual laziness but the application of Occam's Razor.

Religionists shouldn't play with Occam's Razor because they'll cut themselves to death.

To wit:

They say that the universe is too complex to exist without a creator -- ergo by simplest explanations, a creator created it.

However, clearly, a creator must be more complex than the universe he creates -- so by Occam's Razor, a creator is too complex to exist without a creator -- ergo ad infinitum.

Occam's Razor brings nothing to the table for religionists because they don't really understand its implications, thus making fools of themselves.

But the rest of us do get a good laugh, so carry on.

205 posted on 01/13/2003 9:13:59 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: metacognative
Thank you for telling me that you believe that water does in fact run uphill.

I've seen water going up against gravity many times -- firehoses, garden hoses, public fountains, drinking fountains, "rooster tails" from boats. The whole rain/snow cycle implies water going up against the pull of gravity.

Which part of that do you doubt?

206 posted on 01/13/2003 9:18:10 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: bondserv
Creationists try to interpret what we see with common sense

I doubt you would be able to define "common sense" in any meaningful way. For instance, Einstein's theory of relativity departed from the conventional wisdom (foreshorting of spatial dimensions when approaching the speed of light.) This was in direct contrast to ALL of human experience with speed and distance.

Einstein departed from the sense of daily experience by attempting to fit theory to the accumulating data. A good thing too, since a lot of quantum mechanics has no counterpart in day to day human level experience.

In fact we accept a lot of quantum science today as "common sense" just because we have been exposed to it for the last 100 years or so.

So observation modifies what we consider "common sense." Theories should fit the data -- data should not be discarded because it doesn't fit the theory (the Genesis theory of the Bible, for instance.)

207 posted on 01/13/2003 9:29:42 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: jlogajan
I've seen water going up against gravity many times ...

All you need to do is look at the rapids of a river. Water is always running up over rocks and then down again. This is no problem, as long as the overall direction is downhill. There can be all kinds of uphill steps along the way. And so it is with us. The general trend of the solar system is for the sun to burn out, but in the meantime we're here, living off the solar energy stored in plants. We're happy, the solar system is happy, the 2nd law of thermodynamics is happy, and the whole universe is happy. Only the creationists are unhappy. One of their magic mantras has failed to carry the day, and they are stunned and confused. So it's back to some weird creationist website for further talking points. They should study this link, which was posted earlier, but it's worth a second look: Arguments we think creationists should NOT use from "Answers in Genesis."

208 posted on 01/13/2003 9:35:18 AM PST by PatrickHenry (PH is really a great guy! Really! It's so obvious!)
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To: jlogajan
Nono, the creator is a 'special case', so it doesn't need a creator. It's the 'uncaused cause'.

Mind you, I've never understood the justification for calling it that apart from perhaps that they don't want to admit that their argument is very flimsy.
209 posted on 01/13/2003 9:47:23 AM PST by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
the creator is a 'special case', so it doesn't need a creator. It's the 'uncaused cause'.

That's the key to understanding why all such arguments ultimately fail. The only reason for assuming a "first cause" type of creator is because of the presumption that everything requires a cause. But then, as soon as you get to this creator, you need to abandon the very reason that led you to him in the first place. Now what do we call an argument with a conclusion which requires one to abandon the argument's premise?

210 posted on 01/13/2003 9:55:14 AM PST by PatrickHenry (PH is really a great guy! Really! It's so obvious!)
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To: Dimensio
Creationists LOVE that circular logic.

They say because the book says so, how come you believe the book? Because it is the word of god, and so on and so forth.

They hate it when they are caught, and get real edgy when they are pushed with the fact that it is indeed circular logic, but if an evolutionist tried such a thing. Jump down the evo's throat, problem is, that OTHER evos would jump him too.

Creo's have interesting ways of arguing I must admit, too bad it is NOT at all scientific, because when they try they are shot to pieces. Poor G3K, he's still under the impression no one has answered his "facts" yet.

They are getting truly desperate, and it is quite sad.
211 posted on 01/13/2003 9:59:39 AM PST by Aric2000 (The Theory of Evolution is Science, ID and Creationism are Religious, Any Questions?)
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To: whattajoke
You probably won't acknowledge the idea that sin has entered into the world and reaped corruption on the perfect creation. But there are many people who haven't considered how well this fact fits into our reality.

So I respond not to you with this answer but to other believers that may have some confusion on this point.
We are still marvelous, but we are not in glorified bodies presently.
212 posted on 01/13/2003 10:15:14 AM PST by bondserv
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To: Aric2000
They are getting truly desperate, and it is quite sad.

Appears to be a permanent state with some of them.



213 posted on 01/13/2003 10:36:19 AM PST by balrog666 (Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!)
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To: balrog666
Evolution...Atheism-dehumanism---TYRANNY(pc/liberal/govt-religion/rhetoric)...INQUISITION // JIHAD---

Then came the SPLIT SCHIZOPHRENIA/ZOMBIE/BRAVE-NWO1984 LIBERAL NEO-Soviet Darwin/ACLU America---the post-modern age of switch-flip-spin-DEFORMITY-cancer...

Atheist secular materialists through ATHEISM/evolution CHANGED-REMOVED the foundations...demolished the wall(separation of state/religion)--trampled the TRUTH-GOD...built a satanic temple/SWAMP-MALARIA/RELIGION(cult of darwin-marx-satan) over them---

REDACTED and made these absolutes subordinate--relative .. .. .. and .. .. ..

. . . calling/CHANGING all the... residuals---technology/science === TO evolution . . .

.. .. .. via .. .. ..

schlock/sMUCK IDEOLOGY/lies/bias...to substantiate/justify their efforts--claims...social engineering--PC--atheism...anti-God/Truth RELIGION(USSC monopoly)---

.. .. .. and .. .. .. declared a crusade/WAR--JIHAD--INTOLERANCE/TYRANNY(breaking the establishment clause)...against God--man--society/FREEDOM/LIBERTY/SCIENCE!!

214 posted on 01/13/2003 11:24:44 AM PST by f.Christian (Orcs of the world: Take note and beware.)
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To: bondserv
You probably won't acknowledge the idea that sin has entered into the world and reaped corruption on the perfect creation. But there are many people who haven't considered how well this fact fits into our reality.

Hmmm, nice god you got yourself there. Let me get this straight... humans sin, so humans are made to suffer in not-so-perfect earthly bodies? What a strange carnival you live in! Our "imperfect" lumbar vertebrae, our "imperfect" farsightedness, our "imperfect" vestigial organs are due to our sinful nature? The more I listen/read christian thought, the more glad I become that I'm not burdened by it!
215 posted on 01/13/2003 11:29:38 AM PST by whattajoke (...looking skyward for that lightning strike, 30 years and waiting!)
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To: Aric2000
If you want to build a television but you only have the parts to a radio how can you build a television.

Hopefully this is clear.

Now if you can make parts there is no magic required!
216 posted on 01/13/2003 11:32:23 AM PST by bondserv
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To: bondserv
Ummm, television/radio parts are not alive.

Therefore, television/radio construction has absolutely NOTHING to do with evolution or biological discussions.

Next?
217 posted on 01/13/2003 11:37:09 AM PST by whattajoke (...looking skyward for that lightning strike, 30 years and waiting!)
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To: Dimensio
The Ultimate Turtle argument of the Designists. (The Ultimate Turtle is the last refuge of Creationist.)
218 posted on 01/13/2003 11:51:53 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Human beings were created by water to transport it uphill.)
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To: whattajoke
There is massive corruption around us. Evolution provides no relief from our cold, corrupt, imperfect universe. Peace only comes from acknowledging the authority of the creator, who just happens to provide relief to us now, as well as for eternity.

Jesus Christ has conquered death and sin for all who believe him to be their savior. We pray that all will at least pursue the validity of Jesus' claim. After all Christ made this claim, not us. We just believe it to be true.

Look into the Bible yourself. Don't rely on our understanding of what it says. The diligent student will always be rewarded.
219 posted on 01/13/2003 11:53:00 AM PST by bondserv
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To: bondserv
Evolution provides no relief from our cold, corrupt, imperfect universe. Peace only comes from acknowledging the authority of the creator, who just happens to provide relief to us now, as well as for eternity.

In other words, you accept creationism not for any factual basis, but just because it makes you 'feel better'.

That's called 'appeal to wishful thinking'. It's a logical fallacy.
220 posted on 01/13/2003 11:54:32 AM PST by Dimensio
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