Wrong again. I'm insisting that the girl has as much right to attend a gym class as the straight girls do.
It doesn't owe the lesbian girl any level of comfort either. She made a choice to come out of the closet. There may be consequences with that choice regarding her changing facilities. Rather than accept those consequences, she is running to nanny government to protect her. And you, as a libertarian, are defending this course of action.
Wrong, and more proof you're not really interested in arguing about the story. The girl didn't make the choice to come out of the closet. Another girl in the locker room blurted it out before she had a chance to respond.The consequences of that girl's action were: the lesbian girl got kicked out of gym class because, according to no one but the gym teacher, the other girls might feel uncomfortable changing in front of her.
And yes, as one familiar with the concept of "rights," I'm defending someone's rights in this instance, not someone's "feelings" or "comfort level."
No I don't. But then again, I'm not pandering to a special interest group in anything I've proposed.
Who's pandering? Are you suggesting that defending a lesbian's rights necessarily means I'm pandering? This suggestion probably says more about what you really think than you'd care to admit.
There is a key difference here - for all I know, the other blokes in the locker room could all be straight, or could all be gay - there is no way to tell by looking. The equation is "Don't ask, don't tell" - what I don't know cannot make me wonder if I am being peeped at or not unless it is truly blatant. This girl did let it be known, and thus there are consequences associated with it - she opened the door to the possiblity that they are being peeped at, and thus, discomfort, and thus the whole reason for having a separate changing room in the first place, the prevention of a "peep show", is debased. I dare say if she had found a way not to answer the question, the discussion would be moot - it wouldn't have been a controversy whatsoever.
You didn't read the story, did you . . . "Don't ask, don't tell" was solidly in place in this instance up until some other girl outed her.But that's beside the point: you've stated there's a good chance you yourself have changed in front of homosexuals. Knowing that, have you been damaged? Have you been wronged? Have your rights been violated in any way?
My my, aren't we touchy. You still haven't explained why this lesbian has more right to use the girl's changing room than boys do, if the very principle of having separate changing rooms is the preservation of modesty.
Why haven't I? It probably has something to do with the fact that I never argued a lesbian has more right to use the girl's changing room than boys do. But that's just a guess.
Fine. If this girl is asked to change elsewhere, you won't throw a fit?
And yes, as one familiar with the concept of "rights," I'm defending someone's rights in this instance, not someone's "feelings" or "comfort level."
Until such time as they get asked to change elsewhere.
Who's pandering? Are you suggesting that defending a lesbian's rights necessarily means I'm pandering? This suggestion probably says more about what you really think than you'd care to admit.
Nice attempt to paint me as a homophobe. Won't work however.
You didn't read the story, did you . . . "Don't ask, don't tell" was solidly in place in this instance up until some other girl outed her.
She could have denied it and stayed in.
But that's beside the point: you've stated there's a good chance you yourself have changed in front of homosexuals. Knowing that, have you been damaged? Have you been wronged? Have your rights been violated in any way?
Sophistry. I already said, what I don't know in that case, doesn't even register with me.
Why haven't I? It probably has something to do with the fact that I never argued a lesbian has more right to use the girl's changing room than boys do. But that's just a guess.
That has been the consequence of what you are arguing. What you have been arguing, whether you are conscious of it or not - and this is the point where we argue: I don't disagree that this lesbian girl should be allowed to attend gym class or any other class. The changing rooms is the issue. You seem to be suggesting that using a different changing room, if the girls are uncomfortable with her being with them, is somehow hindering her ability to attend that class.
Ivan