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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Besides being irrelevant to the issue, it's speculation on your part. It could be a reason, but for all you know, changing rooms could be segregated by sex because people of similar sex feel more comfortable changing in front of each other.

And why would that be, perhaps because of the peep show element? Got that?

Why are bathrooms segregated by sex? Surely not because of any sexual context.

One word: urinals.

That's mighty white of you. A girl who did not a thing wrong was kicked out of a public school gym class. The hell with her. In your world, do only the rights of heterosexuals matter?

Calm yourself. You made it very clear that you are only concerned with the rights of this girl, and not that of her classmates or her parents. I believe your words were to the effect that the other girls should just suck it up and carry on. Who cares what they think, right? They're only heterosexuals, and they have to be forced to overcome whatever discomfort they might feel, in spite of the fact that changing rooms are segregated due to peep show reasons. We cannot challenge the left wing, homosexual lobby orthodoxy on this either, right comrade?

You can punish homosexuals in whatever way you like because they're homosexuals?

You've got it backwards. You are trampling on the rights of the other girls and their parents by refusing to even take their viewpoint on board.

I'm begining to understand your calculus: you think the issue here is who gets what kind of treat, not whose rights were violated.

I'm pointing out the inconsistency in what you are saying. Why is it that lesbians are so much more trustworthy than heterosexual males to you?

I'll employ a Roscoe trick here: citeless. Claim all you want, no proof.

Your alternative suggestions are, to put it mildly, very weak.

As I wrote above, I'm beginning to understand your calculus. You could care less about rights or justice; your interest is in maintaining a certain level of sexual purity in these situations

No, my calculus is simple - if you are going to divide the sexes for good reasons regarding not turning a locker room into a "peep show", you ought to be consistent in that policy, not assuming some special saintliness on someone's part because they have an atypical sexuality.

Ivan

207 posted on 12/19/2002 10:07:43 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
And why would that be, perhaps because of the peep show element? Got that?

It could also be for reasons of modesty or for any one of a dozen reasons. Got that?

Calm yourself. You made it very clear that you are only concerned with the rights of this girl, and not that of her classmates or her parents.

How are the rights of any of the other girls being violated? How are the rights of the parents of any of the other girls being violated? They're being made to feel "uncomfortable"---not that we actually know through the story that they do feel uncomfortable, because the gym teacher made that assumption on her own.

If none of the girls knew this one girl was a lesbian, nothing would be in play here. Are you suggesting the knowledge that someone is a lesbian under these circumstances violates someone's rights? If so, exactly what right? The right not to be made uncomfortable?

I believe your words were to the effect that the other girls should just suck it up and carry on. Who cares what they think, right? They're only heterosexuals, and they have to be forced to overcome whatever discomfort they might feel, in spite of the fact that changing rooms are segregated due to peep show reasons. We cannot challenge the left wing, homosexual lobby orthodoxy on this either, right comrade?

Yeah, right. Makes as much sense as your libertarian-statist groaner.

You've got it backwards. You are trampling on the rights of the other girls and their parents by refusing to even take their viewpoint on board.

I see. So somewhere in the Constitution it says something to this effect: The right of the people to feel secure in their surroundings, and comfortable around others, and not offended by any other person, organizations, or anything else, shall not be violated.

I'm pointing out the inconsistency in what you are saying. Why is it that lesbians are so much more trustworthy than heterosexual males to you?

Say what? I have no reason to believe a lesbian is more trustworthy than anyone else on the planet. What are you talking about?

No, my calculus is simple - if you are going to divide the sexes for good reasons regarding not turning a locker room into a "peep show", you ought to be consistent in that policy, not assuming some special saintliness on someone's part because they have an atypical sexuality.

So I guess your argument has nothing to do with the story in the thread at all, nor have you been arguing the points of the story with me on this thread.

208 posted on 12/19/2002 10:39:10 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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