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To: donh
You have, longwindedly, in no manner whatsoever supplied evidence that reality must look somehow different--less tangible or detailed or rich--if it was imagined up.

What I have shown is that all people, including you, must live life as if the universe and all its particulars are real. You can't live otherwise. Your life presents an irreconcilable dichotomy in trying to deny objective reality. Doesn't that bother you at all?

No reference point is an infinite improvement over a reference point you are absolutely sure of, but have no proof pursuasive to skeptics. Popes murder whole peoples because of such cocksurely held "infinite reference points".

This statement merely shows your anti-Christian bias. You are right - the popes committed crimes (I have pointed them out many times to people who revere these self-exalted men) but they are inconsistent with the teachings and example of the founder of Christianity - Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the object of the faith.

5,633 posted on 01/22/2003 6:46:49 AM PST by exmarine
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To: exmarine
You have, longwindedly, in no manner whatsoever supplied evidence that reality must look somehow different--less tangible or detailed or rich--if it was imagined up.

What I have shown is that all people, including you, must live life as if the universe and all its particulars are real. You can't live otherwise. Your life presents an irreconcilable dichotomy in trying to deny objective reality. Doesn't that bother you at all?

Uh huh. Therefore, you have also shown that whether or not the universe and all it's particulars are real, all observable events could very well appear identical. I have not denied "objective reality". I have questioned where it might come from, and you have not hereby responded to this contention meaningfully.

No reference point is an infinite improvement over a reference point you are absolutely sure of, but have no proof pursuasive to skeptics. Popes murder whole peoples because of such cocksurely held "infinite reference points".

This statement merely shows your anti-Christian bias. You are right - the popes committed crimes (I have pointed them out many times to people who revere these self-exalted men) but they are inconsistent with the teachings and example of the founder of Christianity - Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the object of the faith.

I am not anti-christian, until they insist on sharing their execrable no-fault insurance theory of sin and salvation with me. As long as they sing and engage in fellowship and works I'm all for christians. When they insist on sharing their irresponsible theologies about salvation through the crucifixion and resurrection rather than thru works I tune them out.

Jesus Christ's documentarians had many hateful things to say in the gospels about Pharasitic jews, and they said them over and over--about 400 times by some scholar's tallies. Substantial of the hatred rendered toward jews by christians in the last 1400 years is a result thereof--the gospels have been cited for 1400 years up to the present moment as an excuse to murder and revile jews. Go to any aryan nation website and you will see the exact same thing you could have heard the Popes saying during the crusades--quoted chapter and verse directly from the Gospels.

As a matter of historical perspective, the Gospels were written with a subtext end in view to discredit the orthodox jewish religion because most of christianity's new adherents were of that faith. That is why they go out of their way to discredit the position of the orthodox jew (ie. that Pharasite) regarding salvation. The orthodox jew knows of christ but rejects the notion that he can be saved by knowing christ as saviour. You tell me what rung of hell the Gospels reserve for such knowing apostates? Even the unknowing heathen, if given to virtue, is closer in line for heaven. The doctrine of salvation through the resurrection and crucifixion specifically excludes the orthodox jew (the Pharasee) from salvation. That makes the orthodox jew a second class citizen in a christian country, and that is why christian western europe was content to make special second class laws and special second class places for jews, so they could be murdered en masse from time to time as opportunity arose.

So, my take on this is that the Gospels appear to be no more infallible than the Pope is.

5,673 posted on 01/22/2003 11:00:18 PM PST by donh
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