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To: js1138
The utility [of morality] for the species is undeniable. It is also quite clear that not all humans actually feel compassion or empathy (despite presidential claims to the contrary). For the non-compassionate, a bit of prodding in the form of written rules is necessary.

For the non-compassionate, a bit of prodding is a futile exercise. They need to be reborn into better families. Nothing short of that has much of a track record in reforming amateur or professional sociopaths.

Those who think it's peachy scaring people into morality or compassion by threatening them with hell if they don't--and holding out the carrot of heaven if they do--follow the written rules, are engaged in wishful thinking of mind-boggling dimension, in my humble opinion. That's not morality--that's an invitation to have a culture based on hypocrisy. Did you know that most financially successful men in the Western christian world serruptitiously cheat on their wives according to Kinsey et. al.? Isn't that great? Isn't that they kind of thing we want our children to imbibe? Isn't that a fantastic basis for intergender trust and co-operation?

5,450 posted on 01/19/2003 12:48:33 AM PST by donh
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To: donh
For the non-compassionate, a bit of prodding is a futile exercise. They need to be reborn into better families.

that has certainly been the goal of social reformers -- everypne for Chrisian comminities like the Amish, to socialists, communists, and your friendly neighborhood Uncle Nanny.

There might be truth in your assertion. I saw a recent article claiming that nearly all imprisoned violent criminals had three things in common: brain deficits, paranoia, and a history of being abused. Folks with only two of these were able to reform. This may just be another round of futile psychologizing, or it may turn out to be useful.

However, in my experience, non-empathizers with great intelligence turn out to be great hypocrits. They learn the utility of uttering platitudes like "I feel your pain" at appropriate moments, but never demonstrate this when they think no one is watching.

5,457 posted on 01/19/2003 7:09:36 AM PST by js1138
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To: donh
Those who think it's peachy scaring people into morality or compassion by threatening them with hell if they don't--and holding out the carrot of heaven if they do--follow the written rules, are engaged in wishful thinking of mind-boggling dimension, in my humble opinion. That's not morality--that's an invitation to have a culture based on hypocrisy.

Seems to me that if those preaching religion and salvation do believe in what they say it is not hypocrisy.

5,477 posted on 01/19/2003 6:49:53 PM PST by gore3000
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To: donh
S: "Speaking ironically, I might say that all we can hear at the present time is the great anthropic hymnal (( evolution // noise ))*, with even a number of mathematically sophisticated scholars keeping time as the great hymn (( darwin // atheism ))* is intoned (( brainwashing // indoctrination ))* by tapping their feet."

"The rest of us should, of course, practice a certain . . . suspension (( earplugs // helmet // goggles ))* - - - of judgement .

. . . * my additions ! ! !

5,646 posted on 01/22/2003 12:51:22 PM PST by f.Christian (Orcs of the world: Take note and beware.)
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