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To: exmarine
You seem to be saying that if it was shown that if the Christian God does not exist, you would no longer value your loved ones.

Why are your values so dependent on a god?
5,317 posted on 01/17/2003 8:20:48 AM PST by Condorman (Be consistent -- but not all the time)
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To: Condorman
You seem to be saying that if it was shown that if the Christian God does not exist, you would no longer value your loved ones.

No, I am saying that without a belief in God, one cannot find an universal basis for the "meaningfulness" of human experience. Without God, the value you feel for your loved ones is reduced to a subjective chemical process in your brain (I have been over this and over this with Junior on this behemoth of a thread); and time+chance+energy+matter cannot produce intrinsic meaning or value. I know you can't see that - but that doesn't change the truth of the matter. Obviously, people are much more than the sum of their parts. (Another question: Just how does personality come from non-personality?) Why are your values so dependent on a god?

Without God, moral values are reduced to personal preference (as a man becomes a slave to his chemical processes), and man is reduced to a MACHINE. Machines do not have and intrinsic value. Universal Human rights are also excluded. If you like, I can e-mail you the essay I wrote that refutes moral relativism.

No one on this thread has yet been able to come up with a source for morality besides man or God. I am still waiting (and I will be waiting a looonggggg time).

5,318 posted on 01/17/2003 8:53:37 AM PST by exmarine
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To: Condorman
You seem to be saying that if it was shown that if the Christian God does not exist, you would no longer value your loved ones.

Actually, if you re-read my posts, you will find that I recognize that atheists do indeed value their loved ones and act as if love had real meaning, but they have no basis for doing so. They live a hopeless dichotomy between their worldview (no God, all is matter) and their behavior as human beings (love is meaningful, family members have real value and are not just dried twigs in an impersonal universe). Don't you see the contradiction?

5,322 posted on 01/17/2003 9:07:51 AM PST by exmarine
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