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To: exmarine
I didn't answer because the implicit premise in your question, i.e. everything was "imagined up," assumes the universe is an illusion which it is not of course. God CREATED the universe - matter is real - isn't it?

How am I to distinguish between "God CREATED" and "someone imagined up"? If God did not imagine the universe up from nothing, than he created it out of something? Yes? What would that something be? Did that something's existence preceed God's existence? Is God a tresspasser and interloper who took over some other entities property to create us?

5,191 posted on 01/16/2003 9:26:04 AM PST by donh
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To: donh
How am I to distinguish between "God CREATED" and "someone imagined up"? If God did not imagine the universe up from nothing, than he created it out of something? Yes? What would that something be? Did that something's existence preceed God's existence? Is God a tresspasser and interloper who took over some other entities property to create us?

I really don't know what you mean by "imagined up" - is that some sort of semantical rabbit trail? And your conclusion is not related to your premise. How, logically, do you conclude that since God didn't imagine it up, he must have created it out of something? Moreover, how could something (matter?) exist prior to God creating it unles you are assuming eternal matter? - which is one of the four options I gave. The vast consensus of your naturalistic scientist heroes pretty much agree that the universe and all in it had a begining. So, let's establish how matter could be eternal before we go further.

What is the purpose of this exercise? It seems to be purely polemical.

5,200 posted on 01/16/2003 9:57:28 AM PST by exmarine
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To: donh
don,

The parlor debate seems pretty pointless when faced with something as described in Post 5186

5,222 posted on 01/16/2003 11:26:24 AM PST by Tribune7
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