[js1138]

There are only 4 possible answers to the origins of God: He sprang from NOTHING (impossible since nothing cannot produce anything); He has existed eternally (impossible because of the dimension of "time" and "entropy" - the universe cannot "wind down" forever); He is an illusion (let's not even go there since this is an indefensible position); or, He was created by a creator out of nothing. Take your pick. Which is it?

If you bring logic to the dinner table, you have to eat it. If you tell me that God is outside of space and time, you violate #1.

[exmarine]

If you bring logic to the dinner table, you have to eat it. If you tell me that God is outside of space and time, you violate #1.

Logic is all we have. Without it, we would all just make incoherent babbling noises. God is not NOTHING - Nothing is nothing. Why do you call God nothing? Even the skeptic Sartre said that without an infinite reference point, the finite is meaningless.

[viaveritasvita]

"If you tell me that God is outside of space and time, you violate #1."

Some are not willing to view God as a supernatural being; they want to/need to lower Him to the finite. I'm not sure, but I think one could argue that "nothing" and "anything" are within the boundaries of space/time, so can't apply to God. He is beyond space/time.

[f.Christian]

j8...

If you bring logic to the dinner table, you have to eat it. If you tell me that God is outside of space and time, you violate #1.


5162 posted on 01/16/2003 7:31 AM PST by js1138

fC...

The over lamification of the atheist mind // ego . . . under realization of God // science - - - is evolution bias // blather ! ! !