To: Sentis
12 strong able bodied men could easily empty that tomb in the night. It would require overpowering the Roman guards followed by the hard part. Keeping the secret, not letting anyone find the body or explain what happened to it. All the while being promised bribes for switching sides and being threatened with sever punishment if they didn't. And that doesn't even include the problem of human nature -- temptation to show what a big deal one is to acquaintences, getting ticked at the leaders etc.
There are literally hundreds of empty tombs in Jerusalem.
Not at the time there wasn't.
Jesus in fact may not have even existed as the man portrayed in the Bible.
The Bible is by far the most authenticated book of antiquity. Do you believe that Ceasar's Commentary on the Gallic Wars is accurate?
The accounts of his life are written years after his death
Well, 20 years after His death. The Gospel of Matthew has been reliably dated to have been written between 50 and 65 A.D. The last gospel, John, has been reliably dated to between 90 and 110 A.D. They are remarkably contemporaneous.
and each account of his life is different(and you can read each one in the Bible Matthew Mark Luke and John). Each book gives a different account of the Life and death of Jesus. If the Bible is divinely inspired why would God give each author of each Gospel a widely differing account of jesus' life.
This is actually one of the reasons why I came to believe it. There is a saying in journalism/law/police investigation that the only thing you can be sure of when two witnesses tell the exact same story is that both are lying. It means they would have collaborated. The gospel writers did not collaborate. They wrote independent accounts of events which occurred. They differ on minor details as would be expected of honest witnesses. The important stuff (the Resurrection, the Virgin Birth, the Miracles, the teachings) don't contradict.
I mean no two are the same in fact for all the accounts to be true Jesus would in fact be four different people especially as the accounts of his birth differ. If you don't believe me read that Book.
That may be your problem. You were raised not to question the scholarship. I read the Bible with the expectation that it wasn't true.
God did not write the Bible with his finger. He used men guided by the Holy Spirit. And He allowed the mistakes (how did Judas die? One version is wrong) because God is not a bully nor is he a martinet.
What are the names of these 500 people?
You actually have a surprising number of names (John, Peter, Thomas, Paul) although not 500. And it's bedtime. Forgive the spelling mistakes.
To: Tribune7
That is just the tip of the iceberg there Tribune.
Did you know that there is NO historical evidence of a census, where the people had to go to different towns to be counted, NONE, the bible is the ONLY book that mentions it, and we have a heck of a lot of records from the Roman government of that time. It should be mentioned somewhere.
Did you know that a prelate or governor as Pontius Pilot was, WOULD NEVER have brought ANYTHING to a vote to the Jews, he would have made the decision himself. Why are the Jews blamed for Jesus' death, because they were trying to convert Romans, and you don't blame the death of someone on someone you are trying to convert!! The Roman may or may not have condemned him to death, there are quite a few Jesus' in that time frame that were sentenced to death.
Also, the ONLY ones that were nailed to crosses were those that were fomenting revolution against the romans or were traitors. ALL other criminals were put on the cross with rope. Also, it would be PHYSICALLY impossible for a man, nailed to a cross to die in 3 hours, it would have taken at least 12 hours, this is supposing that he was in decent health. Because his feet were NAILED to the cross, he could have used his legs as leverage in order to breathe, MOST were just hung by their wrists and hung there, their feet loose, to slowly suffocate, which still would take up to 6-8 hours before death.
If Jesus Had been nailed through the middle of his hands, and a good percentage of the statues have him this way, his body weight would have torn his hands apart and he would have fallen off the cross.
Those are just a few examples for you, there are MANY MANY more. There is also something else that Christians are clueless about, but it will have to wait for another time and place, because that is something that I am most definitely not getting into here.
Also, most if not ALL of the books that were gone through before being laid aside and not included in the bible are to this day, sitting in the basement of the vatican, there are also many other copies out there as well, you just have to look for them. The dead sea scrolls being part of such a set.
I think that is enough for you to wrap your mind around tonight.
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01/09/2003 11:22:01 PM PST by
Aric2000
(The Theory of Evolution is Science, ID and Creationism are Religious, Any Questions?)
To: Tribune7
"It would require overpowering the Roman guards followed by the hard part. Keeping the secret, "
hmm 12 guys can over poower two gaurds? In fact we don't even know if the gaurds existed or not. Keeping secrets well do you think we know half the secrets that Hitlery and BillyBob kept during their reign.
"There are literally hundreds of empty tombs in Jerusalem.
Not at the time there wasn't"
And how do you know that in fact there are hundreds of tombs in Jerusalem at the time and at the time tombs were not used exclusively for one person generally hundreds could be interred in one. from time to time the tombs are cleared out to make rooms for new bodies and so at any one time there might be several satnding empty.
"The Bible is by far the most authenticated book of antiquity. Do you believe that Ceasar's Commentary on the Gallic Wars is accurate?"
Hmm authenticated by who? Ceasar's works are probably much closer to being correct as there are other contemporary accounts of Ceasar's actions. His commentray gives his opinion of things but they correspond well with other accounts and also those accounts aren't inspired by God so any decrepances are forgivable.
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