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To: B. Rabbit
People can assemble together and worship anything they want, and nobody can stop them. This is wonderful and just.

Nothing just or wonderful about what is being done to the truths and freedom in the Constution. The method used is judiciary decree (govt. of the people huh?) How do you explain the plethora of Anti-Christian laws across this land? Banning of bible groups meeting at private homes (yes!), forcing courts to take down 10 commandments (what about Supreme court), taking "under God" out of pledge of allegiance, telling kids they can't mention name of "Jesus" in school and can't bring mention his name in valedictorial address, and on and on and on. (what happened to freedom of speech, hmm?). Preachers lose tax exempt status (thanks to LBJ!) if they say anything about political candidates! In the Revolution, preachers would rail against the Crown, then step down, take of their robe and grap their rifles! This is nothing less than an assualt on Christians by cultural marxists (love that term!).

But the idea of pure religious freedom, logically, means that the state cannot touch it and cannot be touched by it. Much of the Constitution has evolved, and although some of it has become skewed by liberals, this is not one of the issues.

Hogwash - they are slowly abolishing Christianity in America and one day the state-sanctioned persecution of Christians will commence. It is headed that direction. Judges are making laws! See anything wrong with that? Yes, the Constitution has evolved - does truth change? As I said (you left it out of your post), if truth is relative, then the Constitution is a worthless piece of crap that holds no weight, and might makes right in that case! The entire constitution is under assault - 1st, 2nd, 4th, 10th amendmends especially.

Much like the freedoms designated by the Constitution directly or by omission did not apply to anybody but white males. I imagine that betty boop and Alamo Girl are pretty happy about the evolution of Constitutional rights there. Slavery was precedent as well. Nobody can argue that the breaking of that precedent was in spirit with the Constitution, not an opposition to it...

There were flaws in the Constitution - they were corrected and the changes were in line with the self-evident truth that all men are created equal, and other self-evident rights contained in the Bill of Rights. It was white men who abolished slavery, remember? If they had made slavery an issue in 1787, there could have been no Constitution. And guess what - Christians were the driving force behind that! The founders recognized the problem of slavery and they agonized over it - they knew it was wrong. Today, the basic rights are under assault. Are rights relative or are they self-evident? If they are relative, then they are worthless - I can make up my own and idiots in Washington have no moral authority to tell me what is right and wrong - only God does. They can make things illegal or legal - but legality is not synonymous with moral correctness. Bad men make bad laws. The founders espoused "virtue" as the highest calling. Today, "virtue" is ridiculed and "tolerance" is now the highest value. Tolerance is just political corrnectness run amok.

The idea of evolutionary Constitution has nothing to do with the founders' vision - this is a marxist vision. Does truth change? Yes, according to the culutural marxists. But not in reality it doesn't.

3,770 posted on 01/08/2003 10:22:31 AM PST by exmarine
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To: exmarine
I am a strict constitutionalist, and I agree with your statements above 100%. If it comes down to it, I will pick up my rifles and fight by your side, I will willingly protect your rights to be a christian, as I would fight for my own rights to be whatever I choose to be.

BUT, this does not mean that Creationism should be taught in science class. ;)
3,816 posted on 01/08/2003 11:57:33 AM PST by Aric2000 (The Theory of Evolution is Science, ID and Creationism are Religious, Any Questions?)
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To: exmarine
How do you explain the plethora of Anti-Christian laws across this land? Banning of bible groups meeting at private homes (yes!), forcing courts to take down 10 commandments (what about Supreme court), taking "under God" out of pledge of allegiance, telling kids they can't mention name of "Jesus" in school and can't bring mention his name in valedictorial address, and on and on and on. (what happened to freedom of speech, hmm?). Preachers lose tax exempt status (thanks to LBJ!) if they say anything about political candidates!

Ok. Here we are together most definitely (minus the 10 commandments in courthouses: doesn't it mention not worshipping anybody but the Christian God in there???). All of that other stuff is absurd and we should be ashamed for letting it happen. I am right on line with you if this is the case (not saying I don't believe you, I've just never heard of it personally. Can you send me links on the Bible meetings being banned in private homes? I need to research that one).

they are slowly abolishing Christianity in America and one day the state-sanctioned persecution of Christians will commence. It is headed that direction.

Although I don't see it, again, this is horrible if true. It goes along with the Bible meeting bans in private homes. I would really love to see the links on this if possible. This is blatant violation of the BoR.

The idea of evolutionary Constitution has nothing to do with the founders' vision - this is a marxist vision.

But I do simply disagree with this statement, but I believe we are using evolution in a different context (big surprise there, why else would this thread exist???). Anyway, you are correct, truth does not change. Rights are self evident. But we saw that the people who gave birth to the nation were also not perfect. Handing out a Bible and calling it a school book 200+ years ago doesn't mean that our forefathers wanted a Christian theocracy, no matter how minute the religion infringed upon the State. They made a mistake, much like they did when they did not allow women the right to vote. Back then, women weren't treated as equal, now they are. Back then the Bible doubled as a schoolbook, now we know it shouldn't. Truth doesn't change. They were wrong to do it then and people today are wrong to try it now.

I think that many creationists I've met in my short time on Free Republic label anybody who is not a Christian a communist or a socialist and will stop at nothing to establish this link. It just simply is untrue.

3,899 posted on 01/08/2003 2:48:44 PM PST by B. Rabbit (Tag lines are evil! Do not use this tool of the devil! Repent.)
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