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Now wait a second... And I am beginning to respect and enjoy your comments here.... but your first point is refuted by your second and third points. It is not stated in 5 words "separation of church and state" but you said yourself that the religions are protected from the State (Point #2) and that there is no chance for theocracy rearing it's ugly head into the country (Slighly loosened point #3). Maybe not directly stated, but stated nonetheless. What do you think?

Other things were discussed, of course, but with respect to the Establishment Clause, there was no discussion about protecting the STate from the Church. Find me a quote from any founder that was concerned with proteting the state from the church.

The term "separation of church and state" only appears one time - in a letter by Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists - and it is taken out of context by all who use it today! Find me another instance where this phrase is used. Cultural elites have twisted this phrase to mean "TOTAL separation of the state and any type of religious overtone". There is a problem though - this is contrary to original intent. Note that the Supreme Court is emblazone with the 10 Commandments. The Aitken bible had the inscription "for use by schools" (hmmm). Also, the Supreme Court declared in 1896 that the United States is a "Christian nation"! (not govt. mind you, but nation). These are all historical and cannot be refuted. History does have truth and it can be twisted into lies, and those lies can then be used to indoctrinate unsuspecting impressionable people who trust what they are taught must be true.

My points are not contradictory. The Constitution sets up a civil govt. But, that civil govt. is based upon judeo-Christian moral principles. It is irrefutable. Anyone familiar with the document will have to admit this.

When it came to religion, they were concerned with protection people (and their churches) from the govt., not the government.

[B. Rabbit]

Other things were discussed, of course, but with respect to the Establishment Clause, there was no discussion about protecting the STate from the Church. Find me a quote from any founder that was concerned with proteting the state from the church.

Do you think that you would approve with the Baptist Church taking some control of the government? The Unitarian? The spirit of the Constitution, in fact in any free country, religion has to be kept out of government just as government must be kept from religion. This should be the creed of any free man no matter religious or atheistic.

But, that civil govt. is based upon judeo-Christian moral principles.

I think that the Commandments (and the Constitution) were created out of the logic of the human mind. They are moral, and morality can be rightly based on them (minus the ones about idols, name in vain, worship only me, etc, my Biblical knowledge has dropped substantially, sorry).