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To: B. Rabbit
...although this needs to be followed through that the government must also be protected from religion. If ANY form of religion is favored over another, than there exists oppression against the second religion. ...

There was absolutely no discussion in the founding documents about "protecting govt. from religion" - ALL of the discussion and concern had to do with protecting religion and the people from the government! The Constitution established a civil government (no constitutional possibility for a theocracy even is someone wanted to establish one) based upon judeo-Christian principles (derived from the writings of Locke, Montesquieu, Puffendorf, and Blackstone). They did not want a repeat of the Church of England's (THE state church) persecution of other denominations (remember the pilgrims?). The founders did believe that one "religion" not be favored over another, but in the correct context, they meant "Christian denomination" since America was 99% Christian at that time. Let's be historically accurate about the intent of our founders. Nowhere in any founding document is the term "separation of church and state" mentioned. Nowhere.

3,738 posted on 01/08/2003 8:49:16 AM PST by exmarine
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To: exmarine
Let me get this straight.

1. Nowhere in any founding document is the term "separation of church and state" mentioned. Nowhere. -you

2. ALL of the discussion and concern had to do with protecting religion and the people from the government!-you again

3. The Constitution established a civil government (no constitutional possibility for a theocracy even is someone wanted to establish one)-You time 3!

Now wait a second... And I am beginning to respect and enjoy your comments here.... but your first point is refuted by your second and third points. It is not stated in 5 words "separation of church and state" but you said yourself that the religions are protected from the State (Point #2) and that there is no chance for theocracy rearing it's ugly head into the country (Slighly loosened point #3). Maybe not directly stated, but stated nonetheless. What do you think?

3,746 posted on 01/08/2003 9:07:57 AM PST by B. Rabbit (Tag lines are evil! Do not use this tool of the devil! Repent.)
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To: exmarine
The founders did believe that one "religion" not be favored over another, but in the correct context, they meant "Christian denomination" since America was 99% Christian at that time. Let's be historically accurate about the intent of our founders. Nowhere in any founding document is the term "separation of church and state" mentioned. Nowhere.
3738 -ExM-

Nowhere in any founding document is the concept of a state based on 'Christian denomination principles' mentioned. Nowhere.
3,752 posted on 01/08/2003 9:23:16 AM PST by tpaine
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