[balrog666]

People either have intrinsic value or they don't. There is no in between.

Okay, have it your way: they don't. More specifically, you don't.

Does that idea bother you, exmarine? Would you stop going to church then? Without the threat of everlasting damnation, would you run amuck and fulfill your wildest personal-power fantasies with your gun or your M-16? And if not, then why bother with the distinction at all?

[whattajoke]

would you run amuck and fulfill your wildest personal-power fantasies with your gun or your M-16?

I ask them this question all the time (it never gets answered). It will continue to amaze me that these people are so scared/guilty/whatever of a world without their version of god, and that somehow suddenly all laws cease to exist. It is my intention in life to show the world that yes, an atheist can be just as "moral" and law abiding as the best christian. The egos involved are just sickening.

[exmarine]

Okay, have it your way: they don't. More specifically, you don't. Does that idea bother you, exmarine? Would you stop going to church then? Without the threat of everlasting damnation, would you run amuck and fulfill your wildest personal-power fantasies with your gun or your M-16? And if not, then why bother with the distinction at all?

Looking beyond your sarcasm (red herring), you have just admitted that you and your family have no worth. So, why can't you live like they don't? It seems you have a problem.