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To: Boiler Plate
Tpaine, By removing "by the creator", the sentence begs the question by whom or by what are all men endowed?

Nope, we are inately endowed with rights by our own reasoning ability. Our free will is a self evident truth.

Can all men reason? Can all men reason the same? As we found with the Clintons we do not all reason the same or as I would say with Rev Al Sharpton I don't think he has any reason in him at all.

I'm sure the rev-al has the same opinon of our reasoning abilites. - Doesn't change the fact of our ALL having inate inalienable rights.

The truth is that the Founding Fathers were calling upon a higher authority, than themselves and mankind in total, to justify their actions.

Yep, as I said, it never hurts to hedge your bets by asking the 'almighty' for help.

As made obvious by their declaration King George reasoned as did many of his countrymen both in Britain and the colonies that we did not posses those rights. The British Monarchy has run contrary to what other men have thought what were and were not God given rights more than once, as evidenced by the Magna Carta and Cromwell's running down of King Charles. It is the recognition of a higher authority that is the basis of all our law system also know as natural law.

Not at all. Simple reason tells us that if we wish to live in liberty, we must all have equal rights. -- No 'higher authority' is needed to grant them. - They are self evident in nature.

Without it then justice is simply a matter of force and not reason at all.

We make our own justice, protecting us all from force, by forming a constitutional free republic, and following its principles.

- 'Higher authority' is usually used by despotic forces to justify ignoring our constitution, imo.

2,747 posted on 01/04/2003 10:41:14 AM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Tpaine,

You are playing Humpty Dumpty's game. Words can take whatever meaning you wish to assign to them. The statement you amde that the Declaration of Independence makes sense if you take the words "by the creator" is gramatically correct. However you did not write the the words, someone else did and he put them in for a reason. What you are engaged in is pure spin. I am not sure what you are so afraid of or what improvement you think would be made by your revision, it is in the end a trivial point as I doubt the National Archives are going to give heed to your suggestions. You have nothing to loose in your suggestions, but the men who wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence put all they owned, all they loved and their very lives on the line when the ink dried on that piece of paper. Now with as much as they had to lose don't you think they were a little more interested in just what exactly it said?

2,793 posted on 01/04/2003 1:13:26 PM PST by Boiler Plate
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