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Hmmm. I truly understand your frustration -- it's sad to see and hear the hostility toward God in the world; what I don't understand nor do I condone is your stooping to such hurtful and unnecessary insults to PatrickHenry. As a Christian, you should know beyond a doubt that this kind of talk is un-Christian. Moreover, our God is an awesome God: His Word is fully able to withstand anyone's scrutiny. You must know that no one alive today has a dead soul -- while there is life, there is hope. I believe that you owe PatrickHenry an apology -- not so much for the sentiments in your post, but for the ugly way in which you presented them. You also owe me, a fellow Christian, an apology for hurting our cause. While I completely understand that the God of Israel is a God of love and that He is also totally a God of justice, the unbelievers invariably point to the hypocrisy of our professions of loving our neighbor using words such as you wrote as their ammunition.

Please pray for God to make a way for you to express the balance between God's love and His justice (or, more appropriately, I think) between His love and His holiness in a manner that reveals His presence.

Good News For The Day

‘But I say to all of you: In the future, you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the mighty One.’ (Matthew 26:64)

"If the universe is moral, (and the fact that such a person as Christ existed, is strong evidence that it is), then what Jesus said about himself and the future, must come true. If morality has an infinite source, and backing, then the moral excellence of Christ will ultimately... triumph---over evil."

"I know some very agreeable people. I know some that I would call gentle giants. But their easygoing spirit is never a threat to greed and corruption. Kindness, patience, understanding, and love are not better than envy and bitterness, if they only ever exist as counterweights to their opposites. A good man who is content to coexist forever with badness, and wrong, cannot be a good man in any absolute sense."

"The goodness of Jesus is surpassing because he not only sorrowed over sin, and was outraged by it, he set himself against it, and warned his enemies that by suffering for it, he would rise above it, and eliminate it."

"If our universe is a moral one, then Jesus' values can never be viewed in any offhand way. Rather, he must be seen as a hazard to every act, motive, system, institution, or law, that is not in sympathy with him. A question that governments and their constituents ought to ask is: Are we making laws; invoking policies that clash with Christ and the direction of his Spirit? If so we are building badly. The universe itself will not back us. The future belongs to Christ-and to all who follow him."

"If the Christ of God, in His sorrowful life below, be but a specimen of suffering humanity, or a model of patient calmness under wrong, not one of these things is manifested or secured. He is but one fragment more of a confused and disordered world, where everything has broken loose from its anchorage, and each is dashing against the other in unmanageable chaos, without any prospect of a holy or tranquil issue. He is an example of the complete triumph of evil over goodness, of wrong over right, of Satan over God,-one from whose history we can draw only this terrific conclusion, that God has lost the control of His own world; that sin has become too great a power for God either to regulate or extirpate; that the utmost that God can do is to produce a rare example of suffering holiness, which He allows the world to tread upon without being able effectually to interfere; that righteousness, after ages of buffeting and scorn, must retire from the field in utter helplessness, and permit the unchecked reign of evil. If the cross be the mere exhibition of self-sacrifice and patient meekness, then the hope of the world is gone. We had always thought that there was a potent purpose of God at work in connection with the sin- bearing work of the holy Sufferer, which, allowing sin for a season to develop itself, was preparing and evolving a power which would utterly overthrow it, and sweep earth clean of evil, moral and physical. But if the crucified Christ be the mere self-denying man, we have nothing more at work for the overthrow of evil than has again and again been witnessed, when some hero or martyr rose above the level of his age to protest against evils which he could not eradicate, and to bear witness in life and death for truth and righteousness,-in vain... (not!/link)---."

... what I don't understand nor do I condone is your stooping to such hurtful and unnecessary insults to PatrickHenry.

I appreciate your concern, but I am neither insulted nor hurt by the posts in question. The poster appears to have no capacity to formulate any malicious intent. He is an embarrassment to his side of the debate, but you will eventually learn to ignore him, as most of us already do.

it's sad to see and hear the hostility toward God in the world; </>

It's not hostility toward God. It's sadness and a bit of contempt toward those who speak rubbish in the name of God, and toward those whose journey of discovery has come to an end a few miles short. It's sad to think that there are those who believe everything that can be known about creation was written down thousands of years ago, and that the evidence before us counts for nothing.