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Why men should be able to sue women who lie about who's the daddy
JWR ^ | Nov. 27 , 2002 / 22 Kislev, 5763 | Dan Abrams

Posted on 11/29/2002 7:08:00 AM PST by Balto_Boy

On Friday, Nebraska's highest court ruled that a man whose ex-wife may have lied to him about being the father of their child cannot sue the woman for fraud and emotional distress. Why not?

IN ANY other realm of the law this would be a classic case of fraud. Robert Day had already been divorced from his wife for six years when he realized he was out of town when she conceived. A DNA test proved with 100 percent certainty that Adam wasn't his. Well Robert Day alleged that mom lied about her due date to fool him.

He had paid child support, medical expenses and even half of his wife's employment-related daycare costs after their divorce. She's since remarried. The court cited a number of psychological studies about the importance of parents bonding with children and held "In effect Robert is saying he's not my son. I want my money back" and that the lawsuit "Has the effect of saying I wish you'd never been born to a child."

No, it says "You lied to me, I want my money back," and the lawsuit has the effect of saying "I wish you hadn't lied and now hope you'll go after the real father for the money you snookered me from me." Look, these cases are difficult and different. If the result would be that the child would suddenly go hungry or lose his home, those special circumstances should matter, but that should be the exception.

The court's opinion focuses solely on public policy. How is it good public policy to encourage a philandering woman to lie? Why shouldn't she at least have to seek out the real father to make him pay?


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To: shiva
"My, my, you are naive. Men haven't said no since Eve gave the apple to Adam and you'll never change it."

Not to sex, but to marriage? I think it may be you who are naive. Not that I would like to change it, but men are becoming increasingly leary of marriage ever since the advent of womens lib.

181 posted on 11/29/2002 1:57:03 PM PST by monday
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To: Jim Noble
I have done contract management at one point in my life and I have fought over language and intent, a well written contract is clear.

When I got divorced I was hit by about every Lawyerly tactic that the leagal eagals could divise. Against my lawers advice I counter sued for Adultery, it is illeagal in Mass but only if you are prepared to go to trial, which I was, I like a good fight. Any FReeper who knows me sees a quit kinda guy, wrong.

If Family court Judges enforced the Law, which most don't, lazy politcal hacks, there would be a lot less of this BS. I have since moved to NH where Adultery is actionable and recoverable.

182 posted on 11/29/2002 1:57:30 PM PST by Little Bill
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To: babygene
Choose a different debating tactic if you would please. Thank you.
183 posted on 11/29/2002 1:59:12 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: babygene
So to be fair, if I'm married and have an fling with some other women, the offspring should be the responsibility of my wife? It should be legally hers because she is married to me?

The more I read, the more that I saw this post avoided.

A great point and totally disregarded.


Stay safe; stay armed.


184 posted on 11/29/2002 2:03:11 PM PST by Eaker
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To: tallhappy
"A child you raise is not a pair of shoes. It's not something to return if you find out you've got the wrong one by mistake"

You would have a point if the father had custody of the child, but as it stands your analogy is pretty stupid. You can't return anything that you don't have.

185 posted on 11/29/2002 2:05:22 PM PST by monday
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To: kilohertz; tallhappy
"I what way is the kid still his? The new father has adopted, the cuckold does not have any visitation rights, and has not seen the child in years. In law and in fact, the child is no longer his!"

Don't bother tallhappy with facts. He is too busy screaming "It's for the children!" to hear.

186 posted on 11/29/2002 2:28:44 PM PST by monday
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To: FITZ
"I'd go further and say that the father (biological or not) might be even more Christian to demand custody of the child and raise him a better home than allow that type of woman to bring him up."

Demand all you want. It won't do any good. The courts will give custody to the woman unless she is certifibly insane.

187 posted on 11/29/2002 2:32:20 PM PST by monday
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To: Publius6961
It is amazing, this is why I don't think women should vote, as a majority we have proven time and again we don't have the good sense for it.

You would think these women have no son's that they love and want protected as much as they do their daughters. I'll never understand it myself.
188 posted on 11/29/2002 2:43:05 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: monday
>>You would have a point if the father had custody of the child, but as it stands your analogy is pretty stupid<<

Read my post above-you are perfectly right.

Responsibility without authority is the root of this problem, as it is of many others.

189 posted on 11/29/2002 2:50:53 PM PST by Jim Noble
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To: MissAmericanPie
You would think these women have no son's that they love and want protected as much as they do their daughters. I'll never understand it myself.

Well, it used to be stupidity was the most abundant thing in the universe...
Now PC is running a close second.

It is remarkable that some Einsteins seem unaware that the old laws were preserved only because until recently there was no foolproof way to establish paternity.

Injustice? We don't need no stinkin' justice!

It's for the chilrun!.... talk about mindless...

190 posted on 11/29/2002 3:01:42 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: Morrigan
You'd probably elbow a kid out of the way to get a spot on the bus, huh?

Were you aware that putting words in other people's mouths and then smuggly attacking them is a sign of a tiny mind?

Focus on what he/she says, not on your neurotic paraphrasing.
The adults on this thread do...

191 posted on 11/29/2002 3:10:18 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: IronJack
The Constitution IS a social agenda.

Spoken like a true "Progressive"

Here, silly me and millions of other adults thought it was establishing a rule of "Laws".

Please note that inalienable rights are not subject to the whim of "agenda".

Sorry.

192 posted on 11/29/2002 3:16:26 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Straight edge is a slang term for someone who doesn't drink/smoke(anything) or do drugs.

My wife of close to 18 years has the occasional drink.



Should I divorce the slut??


Stay safe; stay armed.


193 posted on 11/29/2002 3:27:48 PM PST by Eaker
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To: Publius6961
See post 174. Have someone read it to you.
194 posted on 11/29/2002 3:29:04 PM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack
See post 174. Have someone read it to you.

D'OH!
Properly filed under "sophistry".

Most Jr High school students can see the distinction between the social contract and a social agenda.

Let me see if I can collect enough small words to explain it to you...

195 posted on 11/29/2002 3:33:33 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: Publius6961
Very good. Words have meaning. The Educated among us understand the distinctions.

One of my liberal neighbors once remarked that the 2nd Amendment was a "Government Program" that failed.
196 posted on 11/29/2002 3:38:43 PM PST by Hostage
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To: The Man
But what about those of us who recognize that marriage is an institution given to us by God? Who believe that the healthy and proper realization of our sexuality and the children that come from such a relationship are blessings and gifts from God to be cherished and loved and raised carefully?

What about those of us who realize that being a father and husband is not an artificial creation of a state and its legal rules but an essential part of who God made us to be?

What an excellent post! Unfortunately, there are far too few like yours on this forum.

197 posted on 11/29/2002 3:50:31 PM PST by independentmind
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To: Eaker
Was I addressing you?

If you think your wife is a slut, then I feel for you.

You're a true idiot.
198 posted on 11/29/2002 3:55:42 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: BuddhaBoy
These problems begin when a man signs a birth certificate, unknowing of the fact that the child that he has just signed his life away for, isnt his.

Many times men are named by the mother and the designated father has no knowledge of the birth certificate at all.

199 posted on 11/29/2002 3:56:43 PM PST by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich
You are correct. This is why men who dont want children should get vasectomys, or at the very least be prepared to hand over some blood for DNA testing.

When the Fradulent Mother shows up with her court order for child support, the man can take his proof into court with him.

Many women trying to trap a guy for money dont tell him about the pregnancy until the baby has already arrived.

200 posted on 11/29/2002 4:07:58 PM PST by BuddhaBoy
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