Sure, the Vietnamese are responsible for our storm drain problems...we never had them before they were here.
"Of course they're not all evil. No one with any sense maintains that they are."
Do yourself a favor, don't interject the word sense into a thread where you and your friends find it impossible to accept that the Hispanics have had a positive impact on their community in Indianapolis...remember that one minor nagging detail, this thread is about Indianapolis.
"What can reasonably be said, however, is that massive, uncontrolled migration from countries such as Mexico is not a good thing - and its negative impact upon schools is just one of the more well-established signs that it isn't."
Did I mention that this thread is about Indianapolis? Oh right, we don't want to discuss that, we need to turn this into another Mexican immigrants bashing thread. However, if you do take the time to examine Irish immigration, particularly during the famine years, you will find that is was massive and unrestricted (which served the same purpose as uncontrolled). Guess what, the very same arguments were made about those third world Irish.
"I'm sorry if dealing with issues isn't as much fun as clapping ones hands like a seal for some rose-colored-glasses article or for Dubya's pander amnesties - or as fun as sneering at the "upstart" Congressman."
I don't know, perhaps I'll give it a try one day. It does sound so much more fun then the blame it all on Pedro method you're working under.
All to many times, though I'm not sure I feel governed by your thread-policing wishes. BTW, one nagging detail: the Indianapolis article mentions changes, but cites no improvement or positive impacts - unless you count the establishment of two Spanish-languge publications.
The biggest of many differences between the Irish immigration wave and the current influx: The Irish wave ended. The current influx has no end in sight.