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To: the_doc; CCWoody; Starwind; RnMomof7
In regards to John 5:24-29

I have long held essentially the same interpretation you have of this passage - as well as its application. I would like to make a couple of suggestions about parallel passages to this text. I find the entire chapter of Rev. 20 within John 5:24-27 talking about the realities of spiritual life and spiritual death.Rev. 20 could also be seen as an expansion of John 3:16-21.See also John 5:39,40 which speaks of those who refuse to come to Christ that they may have life.

Its interesting to read Rev. 20:12-13 in the greek text to see how the word nekroi, nekrous,(the dead) jumps out at you. The "dead are standing" and "the dead are judged". While one can assume a bodily resurrection there is not one mentioned in these verses. This is God's final verdict about those who have refused to believe in Christ.While they may be physically alive they are forever dead spiritually.

Parallels to John 5:28,29 are found in Rev. 11:15-18, II Thess. 1:6-10, Matthew 13:37-43 (where the wicked are raptured out of the kingdom) and Matt 25:31-46.

826 posted on 11/27/2002 7:32:18 PM PST by gdebrae
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To: gdebrae; the_doc
gdebrae writes to the_doc:
In regards to John 5:24-29 I have long held essentially the same interpretation you [the doc] have of this passage - as well as its application.

I believe the_doc holds the view that John 5:28,29 describes the rising of the good and the evil to judgment which corresponds to the "2nd resurrection" in Rev 20:11-15, which in the_doc's view is a physical resurrection of everyone, saved and unsaved. I asked as much in post #660 and the_doc concurred in his post #697, and then in my post #727 I layed it out visually.

Then here in the_doc's post #771 in response to my question:
So to sum up my questions, from the Amillenial viewpoint, when do the already dead believing Christians get bodily resurrected and found in the Book of Life, according to faith in Christ, not of works?

the_doc answered:
They are resurrected in a bodily way with all the rest of the physically dead--in the very same hour with everyone else. But Revelation 20 doesn't bother to emphasize this.

You state your view of John 5:28,29 applying to Rev 20 as
Its interesting to read Rev. 20:12-13 in the greek text to see how the word nekroi, nekrous,(the dead) jumps out at you. The "dead are standing" and "the dead are judged". While one can assume a bodily resurrection there is not one mentioned in these verses. This is God's final verdict about those who have refused to believe in Christ.While they may be physically alive they are forever dead spiritually.

So it would seem you and the_doc have different views of how John 5:28,29 describe the '2nd resurrection' in Rev 20:11-15.

Of course the_doc should clarify for himself, if he hasn't already by the time this gets posted.

828 posted on 11/27/2002 8:02:43 PM PST by Starwind
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To: gdebrae; Starwind; RnMomof7
Thanks for that post. The point about "the dead" in Rev. 20 is especially important.

Aside to Starwind about Matt 25:31-46: This seems to be a good passage for explaining the idea of the judgment of believers "according to their deeds." (It strikes me that it appears to be strictly positive, positive in ways that surprise even the believers.)

829 posted on 11/27/2002 8:46:22 PM PST by the_doc
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