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Is Satan Bound Today?
BibleBB ^ | Mike Vlach

Posted on 11/14/2002 11:56:40 AM PST by xzins

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To: Jean Chauvin
Assume post, Jean!!

Very patiently explained.
2,101 posted on 12/13/2002 4:38:57 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: Wrigley; ShadowAce
Assume post(sic?), Jean!! Very patiently explained.

LOL, Wrigs.

Were you military? In the Army, when we were told in boot camp, air assault, whatever to "assume the position," it meant we should get down into the pushup position. What does Wrigs mean when he says "assume the post!" :>)

Switching to baseball cause I know you're a fan. What about the possible Rose reinstatement. Being a lifelong Reds fan, you know I think it's great.

2,102 posted on 12/13/2002 5:03:03 AM PST by xzins
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To: xzins; Jean Chauvin
Oops.

Awesome post, Jean!!

Very patiently explained.

:-)


2,103 posted on 12/13/2002 5:07:22 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: xzins; Jean Chauvin
He's got a lot of baggage. Ron Santo should be in the HoF before Pete Rose is ever considered.


And btw, the only position you are assuming is the losing one. :-)
2,104 posted on 12/13/2002 5:08:58 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: xzins
***What about the possible Rose reinstatement. Being a lifelong Reds fan, you know I think it's great***

If Clinton is getting a Presidential Library, Pete should be in the Hall of Fame. Character is for chumps, after all. Right?
2,105 posted on 12/13/2002 5:10:07 AM PST by drstevej
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To: drstevej; Wrigley
I'd call it "Charity for Chumps." (I like the alliteration.)

I'd continue any ban on Rose being a manager or being considered for the Hall based on any managing he did.

However, his playing years and his hits had nothing to do with anything other than him being in front of a pitcher and hitting the ball day in and day out for years.

I'm dumb....what was Santo's sin?
2,106 posted on 12/13/2002 5:13:57 AM PST by xzins
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To: xzins
I'm dumb....what was Santo's sin?>

Being a Cub.

2,107 posted on 12/13/2002 5:15:14 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: Wrigley
Sosa's sin also.

However, I think that the steroid issue is far more injurious to baseball than Rose ever was. I don't consider McGuire, Bonds, Sosa(?) to be any different than steroid based records.
2,108 posted on 12/13/2002 5:23:01 AM PST by xzins
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To: RnMomof7
Come on corin that is ~NOT~ what doc said..

Get over it Mom. You know d*mn well that doc doesn't consider anyone who disagrees with him to be a Christian.

He's an arrogant clymer.

2,109 posted on 12/13/2002 6:18:09 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: nobdysfool
All I can say is, I'm glad you (doc) are not God, because if you were, I could understand Satan rebelling against you.

That deserves to be repeated.

2,110 posted on 12/13/2002 6:19:13 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: CCWoody
Evidently Corin and the boys think...

Can't speak for the boys, but Corin thinks you're all clymers.

Come on smart boy. Find me a post where Corin OR Ward said God doesn't know the future.

2,111 posted on 12/13/2002 6:21:26 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: RnMomof7
That command was to individuals of the nation of Israel..not the nation as a whole..

That is true in the sense that each individual needs to believe, in this instance in order to be able to receive the blessings of the kingdom. During Christ's earthly ministry, and shortly thereafter, these blessings would only come when Israel as a nation believes and accepts Christ for who He is. God's dealings with Israel have always been on the basis of a nation, but there have also always been those who believe and those who don't. Had the Jewish leadership in the Sanhedrin believed that Jesus is the promised Messiah, the nation would have proceeded to the next event in the prophetic calendar of redemption for Israel. Keep the big picture in view.

2,112 posted on 12/13/2002 6:57:20 AM PST by gracebeliever
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To: Corin Stormhands; nobdysfool; the_doc
All I can say is, I'm glad you (doc) are not God, because if you were, I could understand Satan rebelling against you.

You say that this bears repeating, and you are correct, but for the wrong reason.

I almost commented when I first saw this written, but decided to hold my tongue until someone jumped in to concur. You don't see the implications of what the "fool" said, do you?

You don't see that your identification with the rebellion of God is the natural result of the depravity of man. God is perfect, holy, and always right. You, on the other hand, want some wiggle room, and cannot stand being told that there is only one Sovereign in the universe. As a result, I can fully understand why you would "understand" Satan's rebellion.

Putting aside doc's strident defense of his position for one moment, we see that your reaction to his position, if correct, is very much akin to Satan's hatred for God. As the_doc says, in some ways it is pretty funny.

2,113 posted on 12/13/2002 7:10:34 AM PST by Jerry_M
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To: Jerry_M
Oops, should be "rebellion against God", not "rebellion of God".
2,114 posted on 12/13/2002 7:12:18 AM PST by Jerry_M
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To: Jerry_M; Corin Stormhands; drstevej
This will probably turn into a calv/arm thread if we permit this trend toward sovereignty to go on. But that's OK with me. This thread has served its usefulness and people are just repeating themselves now. We can go back to repeating our old arguments for and against calv/arm.

I think you misunderstand Corin's statement as well as nobdysfool's. Neither of the them question God's sovereignty. They were taking issue with a what they considered a heavy-handed brother and used the other as an illustration of what they meant. But it won't be the first time misunderstanding has taken place in the calvarm discussion.

I'm at peace with calvarm. All of God's words are true. I guess you can call me a "pan-calvarmist." To quote a wise man, "it'll all pan out in the end."
2,115 posted on 12/13/2002 7:28:24 AM PST by xzins
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To: Jerry_M
Putting aside doc's strident defense of his position for one moment...

Sorry Jerry. That IS the point. Regardless of any other implications, doc is an arrogant jackass.

You call him strident. I call him a jerk.

And all but a handful of the posters and lurkers here can see that. It really is quite funny.

But, I've spent far too much time here today. As much fun as it may be to spar with the Pharisees, I've got other things to do.

2,116 posted on 12/13/2002 7:32:16 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: xzins
Don't "quote the wise man" to your own harm.

While it is perfectly acceptable (IMHO) to be a "pan-millenialist" it would be a tragic mistake to be a "pan-gospelist".

Either God is completely sovereign over salvation, and has chosen us according to His good pleasure, or He hasn't. While the eschatological passages (once again, IMHO) are still rather murky, the soteriological passages are not. One is either proclaiming the Gospel, or they are proclaiming another gospel, and are accursed.

As a result, it would not be prudent to see how it all "pans out in the end" with respect to the Gospel.

2,117 posted on 12/13/2002 7:40:22 AM PST by Jerry_M
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To: Corin Stormhands; the_doc; drstevej
From my vantage point (and I am not yet in agreement with him concerning amillenialism), doc is no more of an "arrogant jackass" than many others who have sided against him, not only on this issue, but on many threads in the past.

What you don't like is the fact that he cannot be moved off of his position, and that you have a hard time refuting his arguments.

Sadly, even drstevej has fallen victim to this mentality.

2,118 posted on 12/13/2002 7:44:27 AM PST by Jerry_M
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To: Jerry_M; Corin Stormhands
You don't see that your identification with the rebellion of God is the natural result of the depravity of man. God is perfect, holy, and always right. You, on the other hand, want some wiggle room, and cannot stand being told that there is only one Sovereign in the universe. As a result, I can fully understand why you would "understand" Satan's rebellion.

You missed the entire point. One can understand the reasons for another's actions without agreeing with or endorsing them. It was in that light that I made the comment. The remark was in reference to doc's judgemental comments, and must be taken in that light. It was (and is) an opinion, nothing more.

You're trying to read into what I said things I never said or believe. I have to believe that the reason you do so is to find something to discredit me about in order to try to negate anything else I may say by appealing to my supposed "guilt" in this area. That is dishonest as a debate tactic, and as a Christian principle of conduct.

2,119 posted on 12/13/2002 7:47:10 AM PST by nobdysfool
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To: Jerry_M
As a result, it would not be prudent to see how it all "pans out in the end" with respect to the Gospel.

I don't mean with respect to other than the calvarm debate.

2,120 posted on 12/13/2002 7:54:16 AM PST by xzins
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