[Aurelius]

"BTW I have no problem attacking civilan centers during war. People are ultimately responsible for their government."

I think that is the beginning of a slippery slope. In my own view, wars are generally between governments of nations, not peoples of nations. And I don't care how much they mouth the word "democracy", our government is not us.

[breakem]

Then perhaps governments could confine the shooting to them (its) selves and leave the rest of us out of it.

There is no governemnt without the people.

Even the most toptalitarian government will fall if enough people stand up. You cannot hold the Germand or Russians free of guilt or responsibility for what their governments did.