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New Leads In Smart Case
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | October 26, 2002 | Kevi Cantera and Michael Vigh

Posted on 10/26/2002 5:29:22 PM PDT by Palladin

Expert Offers 'Some New Leads' in Smart Case
Saturday, October 26, 2002

BY KEVIN CANTERA and MICHAEL VIGH

As police investigating Elizabeth Smart's kidnapping became stymied by a dearth of solid leads over the months, the case has grown conspicuously cold.

That could change following a recent visit from renowned forensics expert Henry Lee, who was recruited to examine evidence in the mysterious kidnapping. Lee, who has worked on such high-profile cases as the O.J. Simpson trial and the disappearance of congressional intern Chandra Levy, told The Salt Lake Tribune this week he gave investigators "some new leads to follow" in Elizabeth's June 5 abduction.

Citing a confidentiality agreement with police he signed before gaining access to forensic evidence in the case, Lee wouldn't discuss his findings specifically.

Chris Thomas, speaking on behalf of Elizabeth's father Ed Smart, confirmed Friday that Lee gave law enforcement "many recommendations" on how to proceed. "The police said they would pursue those leads. . . . From our understanding, investigators have been very busy, since [Lee] left," Thomas said. "It has given the family a lot of hope that things are progressing in a positive way."

The 14-year-old girl was snatched from her bedroom in the early morning hours by a gun-wielding intruder -- a crime witnessed only by her younger sister.

Lee's examination of a kitchen window screen led him to back an early police theory that the screen was cut from inside the home, possibly as a diversionary tactic by the abductor, multiple law enforcement sources tell The Tribune.

Police have been unable to determine if the kitchen window was the actual point of entry into the Federal Heights home. Investigators' skepticism is grounded in the lack of scuff marks around the kitchen window and the belief that anyone squeezing through the small window would have awakened family members.

"I went through the house and did look at a lot of evidence . . .I examined the screen and the window," said Lee, refusing to say what he determined from the analysis.

Thomas said Lee did not discuss his findings with Ed Smart or other family members because of the confidentiality agreement.

While Salt Lake City Police Chief Rick Dinse welcomed Lee's input, he said: "I don't think there was anything that [Lee] found that will change much." Dinse said he expects Lee, who was originally recruited into the investigation by Ed Smart, to provide police with a written report.

Though Dinse has not publicly ruled anyone out, the chief has called the late Richard Ricci, who worked in the Smart home as a handyman last year, the No. 1 potential suspect. Ricci, who was being held at the Utah State Prison on alleged parole violations, died in August from a massive brain hemorrhage.

He was also charged with robbing the Smart home of jewelry and other items and an earlier night-time burglary of a home nearby while he worked in the neighborhood.


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KEYWORDS: elizabethsmartcase; henrylee; newleads; utahdisappearance
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To: Palladin; cherry; spectre
Thanks for the info. This story is so very sad, I get a sick stomach everytime I hear a story like this. Please God protect the children!

There is a David Fuller on the utah sex offender list, I don't know if he is one in the same although. Nothing on David Fagan. It states the Fuller's are from Salt Lake, makes one wonder doesn't it.

Trail teaser on the tv just know they said--"Could be there be a break on the Elizabeth Smart Case? Update on channel two news tonight!

I will let you know what they have to say on the news.
361 posted on 12/06/2002 8:37:55 PM PST by scaredkat
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To: All
Does Utah have a new lead on the ES case in Arkansas? We'll let you know, coming up next in the news.

Watching channel 2 news. I hope they really tell us something this time!
362 posted on 12/06/2002 8:59:27 PM PST by scaredkat
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To: scaredkat
LE state that it is "An intriguing lead on the smart case". (whatever that means?) We are diffently looking at him and where he was when Elizabeth disappeared. So far nothing but they will go back and relook at things on the ES case such as the computers.

David Fuller is married and has children living in San Deigo. (as you guys have stated before.)

Neighbor said David Fuller of california stated that his wife always complained that he spent to much time on the internet and not with his family, she too could state she thought he did as well.
The Woody's have a web page.
Conway police state that Kacie was found strapped to the brakets in the van. They are sending information on this case to other states that Fuller could have been involved in.

(I hope they print the full report on this on the internet for you all to read.)


Off the subject** Salt lake airport in the news people working became really sick Hazmet came in the people had to be showered off and sent to the hospital. (My husband use to work for hazmet it was a very scary job and he said those showers they give are not what people think the are stripped down to nothing and scrubbed like you have never been scrubbed before and when they do this you know it is something Very Serious! not to be taken lightly.) (I wonder what happened? Terriest and all this is very scary)
363 posted on 12/06/2002 9:14:30 PM PST by scaredkat
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To: All
Woody family web page.
www.alltel.net/~rkw/
News2 stated this and showed the web page. This web page made it too easy for this guy to find Kacie. Putting family pictures on the web and also their address. If anything we should learn to never do this!! You don't know who you are attracting. He probably pieced information she was giving him and that is how he found her. Maybe this is what happened to Elizabeth we all know there is information on web site about Elizabeth prior to her disappearance ie, her peoms and family pictures.

I hope you all keep safe! There is just too much evil in the world for us not to be very carefull and especially when it comes to our kids!
364 posted on 12/06/2002 9:41:33 PM PST by scaredkat
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To: scaredkat
and while we are at it, please folks, never submit your kid's picture and name to the tv for his/her birthday....it makes me cringe when I see that...some predator is probably watching and writing down addresses...

Palladin...I don't know what to say about the libraries.....

it seems that we have been encased in this evil cloud where even mothers are not protecting their kids like they used to....it seems everything is acceptable now...

you know, when I was a kid , my dad had a cow because we went to see Gone with the Wind....he thought it was too violent and sexual I guess...

are parents just worse nowadays?....why are we protecting our kids more....

365 posted on 12/06/2002 11:03:57 PM PST by cherry
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To: cherry
that should be "why aren't we protecting our kids ?....
366 posted on 12/06/2002 11:21:32 PM PST by cherry
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To: cherry
I just now read the link....how horrible....for Kaci to have lost her mom a few years ago....now this....

I can't fathom the heartbreak of the father and the two remaining brothers....

when we think of all the trouble we have in this world....just think of this family.....and all other families torn apart by the evil that walks on our good earth....

367 posted on 12/06/2002 11:28:29 PM PST by cherry
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To: scaredkat; All
Here's a little more info on Fuller.

"Conway police believe that Fuller arrived in town several weeks ago, went away, and then came back.Around the middle of November, he rented space at West Conway Mini Storage, but he didn't check into the Motel 6 in town until Monday. "We know that he was here to rent the storage unit, but there's nothing to indicate that he stayed around after that," {Elsinger said.}

After returning to town Monday, Fuller rented a Dodge Caravan from Enterprise Rent-A-Car that police later would find in the storage unit along with the bodies of Fuller and Kacie.

Phone records show that Fuller called Kacie on his cell phone after he returned to town. Police said the calls concerned her enough that she mentioned to friends that she felt she was being watch.

Another online friend, a 16-year old from Georgia, was chatting with Kacie on her computer shortly before she was abducted Tuesday night. Elsinger said Kacie's friend notified authorities in his area after she suddenly stopped answering his repeated messages.

His concern led investigators back to Kacie's computer, on which they found the name David Fagan.

Fullers's father, Edward Fuller, of SALT LAKE CITY, called the accusations against his son "rediculous and stupid." He said his son came to Arkansas last month to vist an old friend from the Navy.

Television news reports in San Diego indicated Fuller was FIRED in September from his job selling used cars because he was discovered to have been using "company computers to browse pornographic Internet sites."

I copied these paragraphs from todays Arkansas Democrat Gazette article for you all.

Now, it appears that if he had a job selling used cars during the Smart disappearance, he may have used one of the "lot" vehicles to take her. How conventient would that have been?

Looks like he planned on abducting her in a Rental, so they couldn't have traced DNA back to him, etc.

This guy was totally DRIVEN to rape and kill a little girl. Look at the lengths he went too and the miles he travelled to do it.

He also broke into her home...and her Father is a Police Officer. Wonder if she told him that?

Wonder if she told her father about her fears?

sw

368 posted on 12/07/2002 6:33:10 AM PST by spectre
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To: spectre
was Fuller selling cars in SLC or San Diego?.....
369 posted on 12/07/2002 6:09:40 PM PST by cherry
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To: cherry
Appears as tho he was selling cars in San Diego area.

"In the San Diego suburb of La Mesa, investigators on Friday searched an apartment where Fuller lived."

"La Mesa police records show that Fuller was arrested in January in a domestic violence case, according to Liz Purcell, a spokesman for the San Diego County district Attorney's office. The case was not pursued because the claims could not be proved, she said."

He had two children and was separated from his wife.

Considering he would go to any length to nab a girl, he is probably being considered a suspect in the Smart Case.

I still don't know if he killed himself, or one of the LE officers shot him.

His "father" lives in Salt Lake and he could have used that pretense to say he was visiting him when Smart was taken.

After all, he did tell his own father that he was coming to Arkansas to visit an old friend from the Navy. But the friend, Greg Green, said "I had no dealings with the guy after I left. I can't believe I shared a tent with a killer..." etc., etc.

My main point was he had access to any of the cars on his lot. Maybe drove it to Utah to see his Dad and could have used one of the "lot" cars to kidnapp Elizabeth, and then returned the car to be sold.

sw

370 posted on 12/07/2002 6:42:41 PM PST by spectre
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To: spectre; cherry; All
I found a picture of fuller on the crime week daily.

http://crime.miningco.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.thesandiegochannel.com/sand/news/stories/news%2D182467720021206%2D121227.html%3Ftreets=sand%26tid=2652207299813%26tml=sand%5F4pm%26tmi=sand%5F4pm%5F790%5F06000112062002%26ts=H

believe it or not that's a web site. If this doesn't worked try this site:

http://crime.miningco.com/library/blfiles/blcrimeweek.htm

Then scroll down to the Arkansas murder story click on it, it will bring up the story and a picture of Kacie and a picture of Fuller.
371 posted on 12/07/2002 8:46:54 PM PST by scaredkat
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To: scaredkat
As much as I love my children , I would turn them in faster than a speeding bullet if I suspected they were involved with anything like this....cooperation would be the minimum...

Kat....keep your eyes and ears open....hope the SLC cops are going to really look into this and see if any cars of Fuller's dad might be implicated in the Liz abduction...

this guy had no fear...look what he did just to obtain his evil "fantasy"...

It would be interesting to see where he actually grew up,,was he in scouts and maybe had favorite hiking areas...or maybe his family owned land that needs to be checked out....

praying still for Liz.....

372 posted on 12/07/2002 9:35:11 PM PST by cherry
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To: scaredkat
Fuller is obviously not Elizabeth's kidnapper. The guy that kidnapped Elizabeth was athletic and had thick black hair with wide sideburns.
373 posted on 12/07/2002 9:51:10 PM PST by Sherlock
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To: landerwy
I watched a show not long ago where a Native American was involved in the serch for a missing child. He used a map and water witching sticks, I believe, and the sticks pointed to a spot on the map. He went to the LE in the area and they allowed him to go with an officer to the spot on the map. They found the little boy in the woods on the exact spot. There was more to the story but those are the main points as I remember them.

I certainly don't believe this. Show us some proof. I have also heard police say they have never gotten any credible assistance from psychics either.

374 posted on 12/07/2002 9:54:20 PM PST by Sherlock
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375 posted on 12/07/2002 10:13:54 PM PST by trussell
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To: cherry
It would be interesting to see where he actually grew up,,was he in scouts and maybe had favorite hiking areas...or maybe his family owned land that needs to be checked out....

Good thinking Cherry! I would like to know this also.
376 posted on 12/08/2002 12:02:14 AM PST by scaredkat
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To: Sherlock
Excuse me? I thought it was 5'8 160lb and had hairy arms? Where did the wide sideburns and thick black hair come in? Or are you/they just trying to pin it on Ricci? Now it could be Ricci but the LE don't even know that for sure how can you be? If Ricci did it then we all can sleep better knowing oneless person to worry about in the world but if he didn't then we best be looking for him no matter where he might be hiding.

Elvis has left the building and is living in
Austrilia. NOT!!
377 posted on 12/08/2002 12:08:56 AM PST by scaredkat
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To: scaredkat; All
I haven't been following the updates on this case for a long time.

But Sherlock suggests the man had a full head of hair and sideburns. Thought the man had on a cap? At any rate, a used car salesman would probably wear the type of clothing (Dockers) the perp had on. The cap to cover his balding head, maybe.

Nothing to add in today's newspaper. IF Fuller was involved, as suggested in this thread he may have very well used his father's car OR one he got off the lot.

What the big factor that remains to be seen, is...Did he have another storage facility where Elizabeth's body is stored? Seems he planned this one out pretty well. Was it done before?

After awhile, if the fee isn't paid on Units, they go up for public auction. A close friend of mine owns a couple of these here in Arkansas, so I know this for a fact.

Another thing to consider is that Fuller had a gun with him, and so do the man who abducted Elizabeth.

sw

378 posted on 12/08/2002 5:44:08 AM PST by spectre
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"so DID the man who abducted Elizabeth"...sheesh, sorry. sw
379 posted on 12/08/2002 5:47:45 AM PST by spectre
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To: spectre
But Sherlock suggests the man had a full head of hair and sideburns. Thought the man had on a cap?

Nowhere, in any published description of the man seen by Mary K. Smart, does it say he had a full head of dark hair and long sideburns. Sherlock has made this up out of whole cloth. Perhaps she was there, peering over the shoulder of Jeanne Boylan, as Boylan interviewed MK, and sketched the perp. Yeah, that's the ticket!

380 posted on 12/08/2002 4:57:01 PM PST by Palladin
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