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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
"Belief" has got nuthin' to do with it, it's a simple matter of accomplished fact.

When did a third of the ships at sea sink?

Substantial portions of Revelation were fulfilled in 70AD.

Substantial portions? If you really believed God's word, you'd believe it all passed. 70 AD may have been a type, there have been mant through history, but the prophesies of Revelation have not passed.

An important point to remember is that most of the references to "the Earth" in Revelation are not Kosmos (the "world" or universe) but rather Ge (the LAND). Thus, if you wat to read Revelation the way that John wrote it (regardless of the English translations), it is generally appropriate to read Revelations as concerning judgments upon THE LAND -- of Israel.

That could be. But when were the elect delivered before the antiChrist and awed the world with their teachings? Revelation says the kingdoms of the earth will be no more. After 70 AD there were many kingdoms that ruled the earth and even the land of Jerusalem if you want to push the locality argument.

Not "the world". THE LAND of Israel. Some examples...

I agree "erets" can be as small as a field.

I could go on like this for hours....

No point in cutting and pasting longwinded articles, I don't read it, I just delete it. No need to go on for hours, answer the kingdom question and and the ships at sea question and the elect question, then we'll go from there.

487 posted on 11/02/2002 10:40:47 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
But when were the elect delivered before the antiChrist and awed the world with their teachings?

The AntiChrist would have been the Roman Emporer who instigated the persecution of the Christians if Revelations is any sort of prophecy. Furthermore, it does seem quite amazing to me that Rome would finally become a Christian nation after having so persecuted the Christians. Amazing coincidence that Revelations describes a great tribulation for the Christians only to have Christ finally win the battle and destroy the "Beast."

491 posted on 11/02/2002 10:45:33 PM PST by Demidog
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To: #3Fan
I don't read it,

So you enjoy your ignorance. If I were you I wouldn't admit you are so averse to at least examining what others have to say and then continue to want to engage in discussion. Such proves that you are a waste of time. Your mind is shut tighter than a drum.

495 posted on 11/02/2002 10:49:24 PM PST by Demidog
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To: #3Fan; Demidog
When did a third of the ships at sea sink?

The account of the sea disaster is a matter of record, especially as told by Josephus. He reports that after the Jewish defenders were defeated in the northern part of Palestine, they took to the sea. Some small battles were fought on the sea of Galilee but vicious battles were fought on the shores of the Great Sea and Vespasian drove them into the sea. There they were overtaken by monstrous storms that caused them to have many wrecks.

Substantial portions? If you really believed God's word, you'd believe it all passed. 70 AD may have been a type, there have been mant through history, but the prophesies of Revelation have not passed.

No, we are currently in the first part of Revelation 20 ("the Kingdom is in your midst"), and the latter parts of Rev.20, plus Revelation 21 and 22, are yet to come.

But Revelation chapters 1 through 19 are, for the most part, fulfilled.

499 posted on 11/02/2002 10:59:41 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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