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To: #3Fan; Libertarian Billy Graham; Demidog
1 Kings 8: 31-32. Trespass is Forbidden. Neighbor to neighbor before the cricifixion. Read the story of the good Samaritan to find out who a neighbor is. Drug dealers are not neighbors to me or civil authority.

Show me specifically in the Bible where it says that a Man is not your neighbor, and not entitled to neighborly treatment, because he becomes intoxicated on his own Private Property. Cite a specific verse.

Do you think that none of the Jews of Israel ever became intoxicated? Do you think that the Law of God permitted Trespass to prevent Intoxication if they did?

If so, show me where. Show me specifically in the Bible where it says that a Man is not your neighbor because he becomes intoxicated on Private Property. Show me specifically in the Bible where it says that, without a "civil law" to authorize the Trespass, you may commit Trespass to prevent Private Intoxication.

...Because if you don't have BIBLICAL authorization for the Trespass in the first place, prior to the making of any law (e.g., America, circa 1900) then the State is violating the Law against Trespassing if it usurps such "civil authority" unto itself.

You are biblically illiterate. Do you even believe in biblical prophesy? Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Don't tell me you think all this happened thousands of years ago.

Revelation aside, I was referring to your ridiculous "7,000 very elect" dogma. You took a verse which specifically detailed God's response to Elijah (thousands of years ago) and eisegetically read it into the Future.

As I said, you botched that one horribly.

There is no biblical law that forbids enforcement of the law at a person's home. Do you think the old testament ordinances on blood sacrifices are still in existence? Murder is against a commandment. There is no commandment against enforcement of the law at a person's home.

Say, #3Fan... when Hitler's storm troopers invaded the Private Property of Germany's Jewish population and turned them out of their shops and homes, were they committing Trespassing and Theft? Or were they just, y'know, enforcing the Civil Law against Jews owning private property?

Same goes for Murder... many Prohibitionist states have defined the Death Penalty for drug usage. Is that Murder, or is it just "enforcing the Civil Law"?? What about Hitler's concentration camps... weren't they just "enforcing the Civil Law" against Jews drawing breath?

447 posted on 11/02/2002 8:16:21 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Show me specifically in the Bible where it says that a Man is not your neighbor, and not entitled to neighborly treatment, because he becomes intoxicated on his own Private Property. Cite a specific verse.

In reference to drugs:

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

The manuscript word for sorcerers is "pharmakeus" in which we derive our "pharmaceutical". God considers them evil. God said civil authority is a terror to the evil, therefore drug dealers and the civil authorities are not neighbors.

Do you think that none of the Jews of Israel ever became intoxicated? Do you think that the Law of God permitted Trespass to prevent Intoxication if they did?

If there were biblical ordinances against intoxication, then yes. The same as there were ordinances against adultery. Adultery no doubt was almost always committed on private property. I don't live this intoxication issue like you Libertarians do and I don't know what the ordinances against intoxication were.

If so, show me where. Show me specifically in the Bible where it says that a Man is not your neighbor because he becomes intoxicated on Private Property. Show me specifically in the Bible where it says that, without a "civil law" to authorize the Trespass, you may commit Trespass to prevent Private Intoxication.

See above. Drug dealers are evil and so are terrified of civil authority. Very true, isn't it? Look at pro-druggies howl about the civil authority.

...Because if you don't have BIBLICAL authorization for the Trespass in the first place, prior to the making of any law (e.g., America, circa 1900) then the State is violating the Law against Trespassing if it usurps such "civil authority" unto itself.

There is no commandment against enforcement of the law on private property.

Revelation aside,...

Revelation aside?! That's hilarious. You don't like what it says so you just shove it aside?! LOL

...I was referring to your ridiculous "7,000 very elect" dogma. You took a verse which specifically detailed God's response to Elijah (thousands of years ago) and eisegetically read it into the Future.

Jesus has reserved 7000 that will not bow to antiChrist. If you reserve something you save it for the future. Have you no common sense?! LOL

As I said, you botched that one horribly.

You don't know the meaning of reserved. LOL It's clear whose botching what here. You've had to run from several statements you've made. I've had to run from none.

Same goes for Murder... many Prohibitionist states have defined the Death Penalty for drug usage. Is that Murder, or is it just "enforcing the Civil Law"??

The bible says to apply the death penalty against murderers and rapists. I wouldn't apply it to drug dealers unless they knew that people would die directly by their actions.

What about Hitler's concentration camps... weren't they just "enforcing the Civil Law" against Jews drawing breath?

They committed murder which is against a commandment.

You ignored my question. It's my belief that those that won't answer questions don't have much faith in their philosophy. I'll try again. You like to cite the old testament Kings ordinace against tresspass on a neighbor. Do you believe that the old testament ordinaces concerning the blood sacrifices are still in effect?

450 posted on 11/02/2002 8:46:29 PM PST by #3Fan
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