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To: Demidog
So you are saying that Christianity is no different than Islam?

Christianity is true, Islam was written by one man with no prophecy. Only religions that have true prophesies have a possibilty of being true religions.

God recommended against a state but in fact asked the Jews what kind of government they preferred and then allowed them a King.

Yes, God wanted to be their king but the people wanted a man king. So God ordained Israel's kings. Sometimes He even ordained bad kings, the people get what they deserve. David would not kill Saul because even though Saul was possessed and was trying to kill David, David knew Saul was ordained. Civil authority is ordained now, as Romans proves.

Even God acknowledged that governments received their power from man's consent. If the men in government go against God's law then that government ceases to be legitimate. Your position would logically follow that Hitler's government was ordained by God.

If you'll look at this thread, you'll see several times that I said civil authority is legitimate if it follows God's laws. Hitler did not follow God's laws. American civil authority follows God's laws. Even so, Hitler was leader of the Germans, not of Christian America. God saw to it I was born American, not German. I had no worry of having to support Hitler's crimes. God decides who's souls get put in what situations.

436 posted on 11/02/2002 5:49:29 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan; Demidog
If you'll look at this thread, you'll see several times that I said civil authority is legitimate if it follows God's laws

If the State commits a Trespass without a Biblically-valid reason to Commit the Trespass, then the State is violating God's Law against Trespassing.

Nor can you argue that "if the State says Private Intoxication is against the Law, it is not Trespassing, it's just enforcing the Law" -- for by the exact same token, "if the State says that a person is Unfit to Live, then it is not committing Murder, it's just enforcing the Law".

438 posted on 11/02/2002 7:06:01 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: #3Fan
Christianity is true, Islam was written by one man with no prophecy.

Irrelevant to my question.

If you'll look at this thread, you'll see several times that I said civil authority is legitimate if it follows God's laws.

False. You have repeatedly argued against such a proposition.

440 posted on 11/02/2002 7:26:02 PM PST by Demidog
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To: #3Fan; Demidog
Even so, Hitler was leader of the Germans, not of Christian America. God saw to it I was born American, not German. I had no worry of having to support Hitler's crimes. God decides who's souls get put in what situations.

Say, #3Fan... when Hitler's storm troopers invaded the Private Property of Germany's Jewish population and turned them out of their shops and homes, were they committing Trespassing and Theft? Or were they just, y'know, enforcing the Civil Law against Jews owning private property?

443 posted on 11/02/2002 8:03:33 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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