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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Your friend who was killed by a dealer... he wasn't gunned down in one of those notorious street battles between employees of Rite-Aid and Wal-Mart Pharmacy fighting over Viagra turf, was he? Didn't think so.

She was killed. There was no reason to do it, she was 24 years old. He was simply wigged out on meth.

Not to be flippant with the memories of the dead, but realize this: Opium was legal (a dutied import, on the regular customs schedule) in the US until 1905 (shortly after Governments began pushing heroin as a "cure" for morphine addiction... oh, great). But legal Pharmacists are not widely known for shooting eachother, or customers, over "turf".

They weren't fighting over turf. He was simply wigged out on drugs. His drug using dad had killed a young girl a few years before and I guess he wanted to know what it felt like and being high on meth reduces one's inhibitions.

You know it. So... "vote what you know"?

I will and I know that hard drugs are too addictive to too many people to be legal.

What if your neighbor owned a gun?

If my neighbor threatened to shoot me with his gun for no reason then he should be arrested for that.

If he said he was going to shoot you, then the Cops should take an interest. If he didn't, the cops shouldn't.

My neighbors have guns, that's fine with me. Guns don't make one crazy like hard drugs do.

Now, of course, as concerns nuclear weapons... I believe that a man should have a sufficient "fence" around his property to contain negative externalities... which renders the "private possession of nuclear weapons" unjustifiable for anyone with less than, say, ten thousand square miles of barren desert at a minimum.

I feel the same about drugs. Since that's not possible then keep them illegal.

However, the Government doesn't necessarily see it that way. Libertarians have demonstrated this... at least one libertarian has previously declared his intent to build a neutron bomb in downtown New York City (just to see what the Government would do).

Figures.

Guess what... The Government sent them instructions -- and tried to subsidize them.

They saw him as a joke.

Majority Vote does not define Truth.

But it's the law.

188 posted on 10/24/2002 9:33:42 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
They weren't fighting over turf. He was simply wigged out on drugs. His drug using dad had killed a young girl a few years before and I guess he wanted to know what it felt like and being high on meth reduces one's inhibitions.

Oh, crystal meth. My pardon. I agree that crystal meth, "redneck cocaine", is a genuinely evil drug.

It's manufacture is also a direct consequence of Drug Prohibition.

Commercially, Crystal Methamphetamine is an economically non-viable drug, were it not for the economics of Prohibition. Like "white lightning" bathtub gin, Crystal Meth will not survive decriminalization in any significant quantity.

Frankly, the economics just aren't there for it without the artificial profit margin.

Guess what... The Government sent them instructions -- and tried to subsidize them. ~~ They saw him as a joke.

It was a Joke.... until the Government itself started shipping Top-Secret DOD specifications to him. (Which is precisely why he burned the specs... unlike his Government, he possessed Common Sense).

Majority Vote does not define Truth. ~~ But it's the law.

It is the Law, sure... but the current state of Law is not the Ethical Question that a Christian considers when he is asked to make Law (as I am, indirectly, at every Election).

If I am asked to vote for or against a given Policy, the only Moral standard I can think of is, "What is a Jesus-Like moral action?"

Try as I might, I can't make myself see...

...as being something I could morally Pray to God.

And if I as a Christian can't morally Pray for it...
...Then I as a Christian I can't morally Vote for it.

As always, JMHO. Best, OP

189 posted on 10/24/2002 9:59:06 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: #3Fan
Commercially, Crystal Methamphetamine is an economically non-viable drug, were it not for the economics of Prohibition. Like "white lightning" bathtub gin, Crystal Meth will not survive decriminalization in any significant quantity. Frankly, the economics just aren't there for it without the artificial profit margin.

By way of example, Cocaine is an economically viable drug, regardless of Prohibition. Cocaine was profitable in modest doses ("Coca-cola") long before Prohibition, and it is an insanely profitable drug now (although, just as we saw with "white lightning" under Alcohol Prohibition, producers have an economic incentive to package and market the drug in extremely high concentrations in order to facilitate Ease of Smuggling).

But I don't immediately recall "Metha-Cola" being a profitable Tonic Drink prior to prohibition economics.

Although even if it were profitable -- which is dubious -- the lower dosages encouraged by Non-Prohibition would probably be much less dangerous than the extremely high concentrations which are economically encouraged by Prohibition Economics.

190 posted on 10/24/2002 10:09:49 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: #3Fan
I will and I know that hard drugs are too addictive to too many people to be legal.

Illegality creates "hard-ness".

Prohibition is the difference between 19th century "Coca Cola", and 20th century "crack cocaine". It creates an economic incentive to package and market the drug in extremely high concentrations to facilitate ease of smuggling.

191 posted on 10/24/2002 10:20:20 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: #3Fan
"Majority Vote does not define Truth."

But it's the law.
188 - 3fan


'But it's the law', ONLY if it conforms to our constitutional principles.
Federal & state drug ~prohibition~ laws do not so comply on any number of grounds.
Reasonable law ~regulating~ the commercial sale & public use of mind altering substances on public health & safety grounds are perfectly constitutional, as you well know, as per alcohol.

Which leaves this question. -- Why do you support unconstitutional prohibitionary type laws, -- laws which in their enforcement are destroying the very principles our free republic is built upon?

199 posted on 10/25/2002 6:08:25 AM PDT by tpaine
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