[RnMomof7]

Wow it is amazing how many places you had to go to refute one mans work

Transubstantiation was not "doctrine" till 1215 when Pope Innocent III made " official "dogma of the church. (it had been debated since the second century)

Then it took 50 years to explain it so it could be swallowed (excuse my metaphor) by the masses

1265 Thomas Aquinas develops an explanation for the Transubstantion doctrine.

So CG...It was not the "common" understanding of the disciples..it was never taught in the doctrinal letters (Epistles)....It is a doctrine of man

[Catholicguy]

Wow it is amazing how many places you had to go to refute one mans work

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[ThomasMore]

Transubstantiation was not "doctrine" till 1215 when Pope Innocent III made " official "dogma of the church.

The doctrine of Trinity wasn't until the Council of Niceea. Does that negate its validity before then? Straw man argument, Mom. Developement and statements of dofma and doctrine coincide with heretical activity. Hence, all the anathemas in the Trent documents. Try 1039 and Berengarius for transubstantiation.

[Catholicguy]

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