[Roscoe]

"There never was a government without force. What is the meaning of government? An institution to make people do their duty. A government leaving it to a man to do his duty or not, as he pleases, would be a new species of government, or rather no government at all." -- James Madison

[KDD]

"No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Gilmer, 1816. ME 15:24

[Zon]

"There never was a government without force. What is the meaning of government? An institution to make people do their duty. A government leaving it to a man to do his duty or not, as he pleases, would be a new species of government, or rather no government at all." -- James Madison

58 posted on 9/21/02 6:15 PM Eastern by Roscoe

"This forum is used by some people, Roscoe included,  that want the power to initiate force, fraud and coercion against people or seek to enlist government agents to initiate force, fraud and threat of force against people on their behalf." -- Zon

"In each person's life internal authority takes precedence over external authority. That some people choose to sacrifice their own authority to external authority is always a net negative/loss to themselves and society." -- Zon