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To: john in missouri
33. Is it not true that since World War II Congress has not declared war and- not coincidentally- we have not since then had a clear-cut victory?
What do you call the Gulf War? What do you call the action in Afghanistan? Embedded lie.
If we "won" the Gulf War, why are we talking about going back in, genius? And if Afghanistan is "won", why have all the al-Qaeda gotten away and why are our servicemen playing guard duty with the Afghani "president"? You call this victory? Sounds like something the French would say. I'd hate to have you be in charge of a war.
40 posted on 09/10/2002 1:46:10 PM PDT by Zviadist
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To: Zviadist
Chaos increasingly reigns in Afghanistan. Clear cut victory? Not exactly. As to Iraq, the current situation certainly reveals that that futile campaign was the complete opposite of a "clear cut victory."
59 posted on 09/10/2002 1:59:35 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Zviadist
If we "won" the Gulf War, why are we talking about going back in, genius?

Because in retrospect over the last 12 years, we have now determined that the original objectives of the Gulf War -- the liberation of Kuwait and smacking down of Saddam Hussein -- by which we conclusively won in only 100 days's time -- should have been replaced by complete removal of the Hussein regime -- dumb$***.

Only a true dumb@ss would contend that we didn't win the Gulf War, and start name-calling against someone who merely pointed out the obvious. Thank you for revealing your stripes, sir.

And if Afghanistan is "won", why have all the al-Qaeda gotten away and why are our servicemen playing guard duty with the Afghani "president"? You call this victory? Sounds like something the French would say.

Have all the al-Qaeda gotten away? Really? Are they and the Taliban still in charge of Afghanistan? Really? I'm sure the hundreds of prisoners in Cuba, as well as the current President of Afghanistan, and the thousands of Taliban fighters buried in the ground and in Afghan caves, will be very interested in this bit of news. Why don't you go tell them?

I'd hate to have you be in charge of a war.

I'd hate to have you in charge of a go-kart.

75 posted on 09/10/2002 2:08:14 PM PDT by john in missouri
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To: Zviadist
Agree with your assessment that we didn't have a clear-cut "win" in The Gulf War, as well as Afghanistan. But overall, the merits of attacking Iraq will win the day. Attacking a weaker opponent is just sound military policy by the way, one of the pricinples of war (Mass). The bigger problem is this - Around the world the US military is increasingly being seen as a bunch of pussies. I hate to say it, but it's true. This is not the fault of our troops mind you, it is the leadership. As soon as we get our nose a little bloody, we turn tail. I'm speaking from 8 years of experience as a active duty captain in the army. The terrorists know this. That is why we have to show some sack now. We need to show the world we're not going to take any more shit. Taking out Saddam is a good start. We may plant a few thousand troops, but it's worth it. My only fear is that we lose a few jets, a SEAL team, or a company of Rangers, and the administration wimps out again (see Somalia) The Arab world needs to know we mean business. That a good enough reason for me.
80 posted on 09/10/2002 2:10:27 PM PDT by strider44
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To: Zviadist
If we "won" the Gulf War, why are we talking about going back in, genius?

You forgot about the serious ass-kicking we delivered to the cowardly Serbs...

139 posted on 09/10/2002 2:42:08 PM PDT by Isle of sanity in CA
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