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Ron Paul: Questions That Won't Be Asked About Iraq
House Floor ^ | 10 Sept 02 | Dr. Ron Paul

Posted on 09/10/2002 12:57:09 PM PDT by Zviadist

Congressman Ron Paul
U.S. House of Representatives
September 10, 2002

QUESTIONS THAT WON'T BE ASKED ABOUT IRAQ

Soon we hope to have hearings on the pending war with Iraq. I am concerned there are some questions that won’t be asked- and maybe will not even be allowed to be asked. Here are some questions I would like answered by those who are urging us to start this war.

1. Is it not true that the reason we did not bomb the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War was because we knew they could retaliate?

2. Is it not also true that we are willing to bomb Iraq now because we know it cannot retaliate- which just confirms that there is no real threat?

3. Is it not true that those who argue that even with inspections we cannot be sure that Hussein might be hiding weapons, at the same time imply that we can be more sure that weapons exist in the absence of inspections?

4. Is it not true that the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency was able to complete its yearly verification mission to Iraq just this year with Iraqi cooperation?

5. Is it not true that the intelligence community has been unable to develop a case tying Iraq to global terrorism at all, much less the attacks on the United States last year? Does anyone remember that 15 of the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia and that none came from Iraq?

6. Was former CIA counter-terrorism chief Vincent Cannistraro wrong when he recently said there is no confirmed evidence of Iraq’s links to terrorism?

7. Is it not true that the CIA has concluded there is no evidence that a Prague meeting between 9/11 hijacker Atta and Iraqi intelligence took place?

8. Is it not true that northern Iraq, where the administration claimed al-Qaeda were hiding out, is in the control of our "allies," the Kurds?

9. Is it not true that the vast majority of al-Qaeda leaders who escaped appear to have safely made their way to Pakistan, another of our so-called allies?

10. Has anyone noticed that Afghanistan is rapidly sinking into total chaos, with bombings and assassinations becoming daily occurrences; and that according to a recent UN report the al-Qaeda "is, by all accounts, alive and well and poised to strike again, how, when, and where it chooses"

11. Why are we taking precious military and intelligence resources away from tracking down those who did attack the United States- and who may again attack the United States- and using them to invade countries that have not attacked the United States?

12. Would an attack on Iraq not just confirm the Arab world's worst suspicions about the US- and isn't this what bin Laden wanted?

13. How can Hussein be compared to Hitler when he has no navy or air force, and now has an army 1/5 the size of twelve years ago, which even then proved totally inept at defending the country?

14. Is it not true that the constitutional power to declare war is exclusively that of the Congress? Should presidents, contrary to the Constitution, allow Congress to concur only when pressured by public opinion? Are presidents permitted to rely on the UN for permission to go to war?

15. Are you aware of a Pentagon report studying charges that thousands of Kurds in one village were gassed by the Iraqis, which found no conclusive evidence that Iraq was responsible, that Iran occupied the very city involved, and that evidence indicated the type of gas used was more likely controlled by Iran not Iraq?

16. Is it not true that anywhere between 100,000 and 300,000 US soldiers have suffered from Persian Gulf War syndrome from the first Gulf War, and that thousands may have died?

17. Are we prepared for possibly thousands of American casualties in a war against a country that does not have the capacity to attack the United States?

18. Are we willing to bear the economic burden of a 100 billion dollar war against Iraq, with oil prices expected to skyrocket and further rattle an already shaky American economy? How about an estimated 30 years occupation of Iraq that some have deemed necessary to "build democracy" there?

19. Iraq’s alleged violations of UN resolutions are given as reason to initiate an attack, yet is it not true that hundreds of UN Resolutions have been ignored by various countries without penalty?

20. Did former President Bush not cite the UN Resolution of 1990 as the reason he could not march into Baghdad, while supporters of a new attack assert that it is the very reason we can march into Baghdad?

21. Is it not true that, contrary to current claims, the no-fly zones were set up by Britain and the United States without specific approval from the United Nations?

22. If we claim membership in the international community and conform to its rules only when it pleases us, does this not serve to undermine our position, directing animosity toward us by both friend and foe?

23. How can our declared goal of bringing democracy to Iraq be believable when we prop up dictators throughout the Middle East and support military tyrants like Musharaf in Pakistan, who overthrew a democratically-elected president?

24. Are you familiar with the 1994 Senate Hearings that revealed the U.S. knowingly supplied chemical and biological materials to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war and as late as 1992- including after the alleged Iraqi gas attack on a Kurdish village?

25. Did we not assist Saddam Hussein’s rise to power by supporting and encouraging his invasion of Iran? Is it honest to criticize Saddam now for his invasion of Iran, which at the time we actively supported?

26. Is it not true that preventive war is synonymous with an act of aggression, and has never been considered a moral or legitimate US policy?

27. Why do the oil company executives strongly support this war if oil is not the real reason we plan to take over Iraq?

28. Why is it that those who never wore a uniform and are confident that they won’t have to personally fight this war are more anxious for this war than our generals?

29. What is the moral argument for attacking a nation that has not initiated aggression against us, and could not if it wanted?

30. Where does the Constitution grant us permission to wage war for any reason other than self-defense?

31. Is it not true that a war against Iraq rejects the sentiments of the time-honored Treaty of Westphalia, nearly 400 years ago, that countries should never go into another for the purpose of regime change?

32. Is it not true that the more civilized a society is, the less likely disagreements will be settled by war?

33. Is it not true that since World War II Congress has not declared war and- not coincidentally- we have not since then had a clear-cut victory?

34. Is it not true that Pakistan, especially through its intelligence services, was an active supporter and key organizer of the Taliban?

35. Why don't those who want war bring a formal declaration of war resolution to the floor of Congress?


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To: Mark Bahner
a) That the president is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on Sept. 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

Congress could have declared war against the Taliban...and Bush should not have gone to war without such a declaration.

Taliban harbored Al Queda. Congress therefore approved the use of force against Taliban.

What is the difference between a declaration of war and the approval for the use of force? Your argument consists of weak semantics.

321 posted on 09/10/2002 5:51:28 PM PDT by copycat
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To: jwalsh07
"According to whom? The Supreme Libertarina Whackjobs of the United States?"

According to anyone who can read the Constitution. Which obviously doesn't include you.
322 posted on 09/10/2002 5:52:45 PM PDT by Mark Bahner
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To: FreedomFriend
Consider yourself not alone, as I am a conservative who doesn't support this.

Same here.

Sometimes at lunch I take a peek at the posts. I was amazed at some of the comments. People gleefully saying that going into Iraq is retaliation for what they did on 9-11. My first thought was - the hijackers were not Iraqis but Saudis (financed with Saudi money), as some have said here. But nobody finds it strange that we do not hold the Saudi's accountable at all?

I started thinking about the pending war and came to some of the same conclusions that Ron Paul did. But it depressed me because we can't have an open discussion about this as American people. I'm hearing a lot of what sounds to me like lynch mob mentality.

The war with Iraq is to accomplish what was left undone in the gulf war. Period. 9-11 is being used to do this.

For all of those who are indignant that the UN resolutions were ignored - better think carefully about that. One of these days the UN is going to pass resolutions against your right to own a firearm. Will you willingly give up this right? Will you then affirm their right to bomb the US if we don't comply?

323 posted on 09/10/2002 5:54:42 PM PDT by willa
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To: Mark Bahner
The Barbary pirates were *pirates* (in case you hadn't noticed). *Pirates* operate outside the sovereign territory of any nation, and are thus treated specially by the Constitution.

I believe that we didn't engage them on the open seas. Any Marines out there who know the hymn? Something about Tripoli? Libya.. Hmmm

324 posted on 09/10/2002 5:55:40 PM PDT by Isle of sanity in CA
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To: Isle of sanity in CA
Although I'm sure the Navy did most of the work (as usual) ;-)
325 posted on 09/10/2002 5:57:46 PM PDT by Isle of sanity in CA
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To: Mark Bahner
The Constitution allows the U.S. government to wage war on governments that protect Al Qaeda. But war can't be waged on civilians (under the Geneva Convention).

Make my day Mark. Tell me this is the platform that Libertarians across America are running on this election cycle and the next.

326 posted on 09/10/2002 5:59:03 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Mark Bahner
*Pirates* operate outside the sovereign territory of any nation, and are thus treated specially by the Constitution.

You really are not very well read. The Barbary Pirates operated out of Tripoli under the command of the Bey of Tripoli, now known as Libya. Have you ever heard the Marine Hymn?

327 posted on 09/10/2002 5:59:20 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: one_particular_harbour
Sometimes you gotta go with your gut.

I don't see sending our troops into
harm's way with nothing better than
your gut to go on as being even rational.

328 posted on 09/10/2002 5:59:20 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: #3Fan
"Al Qaida is a movement, not a government."

That's right. We can not be at war with Al Qaida, under the U.S. Constitution. Any more than we can be at war with drugs.

"The check and balance is the power of impeachment, not the declaration of war clause."

No, the declaration of war clause is ALSO a check and balance. Congress can declare war, but can't wage war. The President can wage war, but only after a Congressional declaration of war.

Any other interpretation renders the Congressional "power" to declare war completely impotent.

"Show me where the Constitution says the president may not defend this country without a declaration of war from Congress."

As I just wrote, if that is NOT the case, then the Congressional "power" to declare war is rendered completely impotent.

"The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, not the Geneva Convention."

Read the Constitution. Both the Constitution and treaties (e.g., the Geneva Convention) are the Supreme Law of the Land. Article VI of the Constitution. Read and learn.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlevi.html




329 posted on 09/10/2002 6:00:44 PM PDT by Mark Bahner
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To: gcruse
I don't see sending our troops into harm's way with nothing better than your gut to go on as being even rational.

Maybe, just maybe, the President of the United States knows more about whether he has anything to go on.

330 posted on 09/10/2002 6:01:40 PM PDT by copycat
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To: Mark Bahner
That's right. We can not be at war with Al Qaida, under the U.S. Constitution. Any more than we can be at war with drugs.

There are a few folks at Gitmo that would be glad to hear that.

331 posted on 09/10/2002 6:02:51 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: copycat
"What is the difference between a declaration of war and the approval for the use of force? Your argument consists of weak semantics."

Semantics IS The Law. Despite liberals and conservatives who think the Constitution can mean anything they desire at any particular moment, the Constitution actually has only one meaning. And it will ALWAYS mean that same thing, until it is amended. That's The Law.
332 posted on 09/10/2002 6:03:36 PM PDT by Mark Bahner
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To: Mark Bahner
That's right. We can not be at war with Al Qaida, under the U.S. Constitution.

Congress authorized the use of force against "those nations, organizations, or persons [THE PRESIDENT] determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on Sept. 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons."

What part of that are you having trouble with?

333 posted on 09/10/2002 6:06:05 PM PDT by copycat
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To: Isle of sanity in CA
"I believe that we didn't engage them on the open seas."

You are correct that they weren't engaged ONLY on the open seas. And Jefferson's use of the military, in sovereign countries, without a Congressional declaration of war, was simply one example of Jefferson's violation of the Constitution. (His actions regarding the Louisiana Purchase were another.)
334 posted on 09/10/2002 6:06:40 PM PDT by Mark Bahner
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To: john in missouri
by which we conclusively won in only 100 days's time -- should have been replaced by complete removal of the Hussein regime -- dumb$***.

Is this the way the Pro-Attack crowd speaks?

I've made an observation that it is always the bots who hit the abuse button, yet the America-Firsters never do so, as they tend to believe that you have a right to free speech.

335 posted on 09/10/2002 6:07:50 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: willa
Sometimes at lunch I take a peek at the posts. I was amazed at some of the comments. People gleefully saying that going into Iraq is retaliation for what they did on 9-11. My first thought was - the hijackers were not Iraqis but Saudis (financed with Saudi money), as some have said here. But nobody finds it strange that we do not hold the Saudi's accountable at all?

You managed to be completely disengenious here. The Saudis involved were civilians not the government. The Saudi money was civilian, not the governments. But you say we should hold the government accountable.

By the way. Do you remember the Iraq government attempting to off one of our ex-presidents?

336 posted on 09/10/2002 6:08:29 PM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: Mark Bahner
Semantics IS The Law.

I disagree. Semantics is the last refuge of those who are losing arguments (It depends on what your meaning of is, is). I would say that the power to declare war and the power to authorize the use of force are pretty much the sane thing.

337 posted on 09/10/2002 6:08:35 PM PDT by copycat
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To: Mark Bahner
You have yet to reply to my challenge to find in the constitution a congressional REQUIREMENT for declaring war and the wording that must be used. Here is why Congress has stopped formal declarations of war. A formal DOW immediately removes congress from any oversight of the president in how he conducts that war and when he determines that it is over. A Congressional DOW expands the CIC war powers exponentially. The CIC can nationalize industry, can impose martial law, impose rationing, and can cancel programs detrimental to the war effort
338 posted on 09/10/2002 6:09:18 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever; Mark Bahner
From the Halls of Montezuma
To the Shores of Tripoli;
We will fight our country's battles
In the air, on land and sea;
First to fight for right and freedom
And to keep our honor clean;
We are proud to claim the title
of United States Marine.

Our flag's unfurled to every breeze
From dawn to setting sun;
We have fought in ev'ry clime and place
Where we could take a gun;
In the snow of far-off Northern lands
And in sunny tropic scenes;
You will find us always on the job--
The United States Marines.

Here's health to you and to our Corps
Which we are proud to serve
In many a strife we've fought for life
And never lost our nerve;
If the Army and the Navy
Ever look on Heaven's scenes;
They will find the streets are guarded
By United States Marines.

339 posted on 09/10/2002 6:09:33 PM PDT by justshe
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To: copycat
"Taliban harbored Al Queda. Congress therefore approved the use of force against Taliban."

There were Al Queda operatives in Germany. And Britain. (And most certainly Saudi Arabia!) Did the Congressional authorization allow Bush wage war on Germany, Britain, and Saudi Arabia?

"Your argument consists of weak semantics."

Like I wrote, semantics IS The Law. The Law consists of words that mean something (and not whatever the reader wishes).
340 posted on 09/10/2002 6:10:26 PM PDT by Mark Bahner
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