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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
from: "Establishing the History of the Establishment Clause" by Larry Pahl paraphrasing from: William Lee Miller, "The First Liberty: Religion and the American Republic"

After proposing this amendment, he was a member of the committee of eleven to consider it, and then was the head of the House conference committee that negotiated with the Senate to produce its current wording.35 Because of Madison's, "nor shall any national religion be established," accommodationists have ballyhooed that his intent for the establishment clause was only that it prevent a national establishment and not the larger and more encompassing separation of the Remonstrance. But Samuel Livermore, an Episcopalian from New Hampshire, proposed an improvement on Madison's wording:

"Congress shall make no law touching religion, or infringing the right of conscience."

Madison promptly withdrew his proposed amendment and Livermore's passed the House, 34 to 20. This fact is not mentioned by those who hang on the apparent meaning of Madison's first draft.36 The lack of notes kept in the Senate's secret deliberations on the amendments has not kept hidden the fact that the more accommodationist amendments proposed--which would be what Rehnquist and the Religious Right would want in abundance--were twice rejected. As William Lee Miller concludes: "One may be allowed to infer that the majority in the Senate intended something more in the way of separation."37 Some think the eventual wording from the conference committee was written by Madison.

209 posted on 09/12/2002 12:50:44 AM PDT by donh
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To: donh
what Rehnquist and the Religious Right

Thank you for pointing out that my viewpoint is that of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, while yours is that of the hard leftists who control most law schools and journalistic legal analysis.

215 posted on 09/12/2002 3:10:59 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: donh
About 100 posts or so ago, your debating opponent was asked for his assessment of this provision of Article VI of the Constitution:
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
I don't recall any response.
216 posted on 09/12/2002 7:21:00 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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