Posted on 09/07/2002 7:55:51 PM PDT by mhking
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Cobb dads enter fray over evolution in schools
By MARY MacDONALD
Atlanta Journal-Constitution Staff Writer
When Jeffrey Selman learned the Cobb County public schools had put disclaimers on evolution in thousands of science books, he skipped his usual outlet, a letter of protest.
The 56-year-old computer programmer sued the district to remove the textbook stickers. And he is ready to broaden the suit's scope if the school board allows science teachers to discuss what he sees as faith-based alternatives to evolution.
"I saw something wrong, and I went after it," Selman said.
Five miles away, in another east Cobb neighborhood, Larry Taylor had his own visceral reaction to the debate over science and religion.
Well-read and articulate, Taylor grew tired of seeing critics of evolution dismissed as uneducated rubes.
The construction manager attended his first school board meeting two weeks ago to urge members to require teachers to expose flaws in evolution.
"If it raises tough questions in the classroom, that's why they're there," Taylor said.
The men, both fathers of students in east Cobb schools, inserted themselves into a fray that neither expected would turn national. Both have found the attention unsettling. They worry about the impact on their families and will not disclose the names of their wives or children. Both screen phone calls. But neither regrets taking a public stance on an issue that has divided Cobb and drawn national media attention.
The board vote on instruction policy is set for Sept. 26.
Selman: I'm a patriot|
The division among parents is unprecedented, said board Chairman Curt Johnston, who is receiving 15 messages a day, divided on either side. "This is the most difficult and polarized debate the board has had since I've been on the board," he said. "Right now, we're just listening."
Selman, the plaintiff in a lawsuit filed against the district by the American Civil Liberties Union, said his decision to seek court intervention took perhaps "half a second." A transplanted New Yorker, Selman wants people to know he believes in God. A practicing Jew, he attends temple several times a year. He does not want to be equated with the California atheist whose challenge of the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance drew national scorn.
Selman describes his lawsuit as a patriotic action, stopping a move toward government-sanctioned religion. While the textbook advisories are vague, Selman and many other parents think the school board discussions that produced the inserts reflect a conservative Christian intent.
The advisories were approved after the board heard about two dozen parents protest the teaching of evolution, many on religious grounds. They produced a petition signed by nearly 2,000 parents who demanded accurate science texts. Many petitions circulated in Cobb churches.
A counterpetition is now circulating among pro-evolution parents, who will demand that the board maintain "traditional academic standards and integrity in the sciences."
Selman isn't sure what sparked the anti-evolution movement in Cobb, a county he and his wife chose nearly 10 years ago based on the good reputation of its schools. He thinks the board is pandering to a small group of parents. His own actions have produced a few dozen phone calls to his home, more supportive than not.
"This is one battleground," said Selman, who has a child in elementary school. "I'm sure they're not going to stop at this. The next thing, the moment of silence is going to be attacked, which is a beautiful piece of compromise."
Nancy Myers, a co-worker, wasn't surprised that Selman became involved in the dispute. "He's got a hot justice button," she said. "When he sees wrong being done, he wants to do something about it. I'd call him principled."
Although Selman thinks his lawsuit will squash any attempt to dilute evolution, he suspects the board policy will open classrooms to religious-based instruction. "The side for scientific education was asleep," he said. "We felt safe. This is the 21st century, for crying out loud. We can't go back to this."
Taylor: Teach all facts|
Taylor, 41, moved to Cobb as a child and was educated in its public schools. But like Selman, he now questions whether the county schools live up to their generally good reputation. He has two daughters and a son, in middle and high school.
While he disagrees with biological evolution, Taylor will not identify himself as a creationist or an advocate of "intelligent design," which argues that the diversity of life is the result of some master plan by an unidentified "designer."
But Taylor has read "Darwin's Black Box," a challenge of evolution by a biochemist at Lehigh University, and a stack of other books that question evolution. He has given copies to friends and co-workers.
Taylor believes these critiques, many written by scientists if not biologists, are being ignored unfairly by public school teachers and the media. "The media presents it as the educated scientists vs. the religious, fanatical extremists."
He was particularly angered when science teachers told the Cobb school board that criticism of evolution was based in religion.
"All the facts should be taught in the science class," he said. "There are many credible scientists in America who believe evolution has many flaws."
Taylor attends his church, Trinity Fellowship in west Cobb, twice weekly. The Rev. Richard Hemphill said the church had not become involved with the evolution dispute. Taylor has spoken out before, taking a position against abortion in a letter published in a newspaper. His pastor is not surprised to see him take a stance on something that affects his family.
"When he talks about an issue, he has studied it thoroughly," Hemphill said.
Parents and teachers who dismiss views opposing evolution are practicing their own form of religion, Taylor said. He insists intelligent design is not a faith-based approach.
"The supporters of evolution have an agenda as well. Their agenda is to keep God out, even if the evidence points to God. . . . It's faith. Those people are as fervent in their beliefs as Christians are in believing God created Earth."
As a matter of fact, if I have a sufficiently large majority (a Constitutional majority), I can change every word in the Constitution and the Amendments, including, as an example, establishing a national religion. All it requires is 2/3's of each house of Congress, and 3/4's of the state legislatures.
I think you have drawn far more battle-lines than most Christians would. You are the one that says Science can't appear with God on the same page.
There is nothing wrong with a teacher presenting the origination of life by saying that some people believe that life started by itself in a mud puddle billions of years ago. Some people believe God made the mud puddle and caused the life. And some people believe that God created it all in seven days. Now class, what do you think?
Funny thing, there were plenty of folks who supported the one, and not the other. They disagreed with you.
While I admire this quintessentially american sprit--what a rugged independent cuss you are--it doesn't really help much in addressing perplexing questions of the Commons, such as mandatory universal public schooling. Like humpty dumpty, a word means whatever you want it to mean? That works great until you are engaged in cooperative, reciprocal communities. Then, suddenly, objectively sharable meanings arising from historically commmon context and usage become vitally important. It is not useful for science to mean whatever you like, however much that tickles your fancy.
There were plenty of folks who disagreed about individual amendments. To my knowledge, none of them therefore thought it was 10 discrete, unrelated documents. Thoughts do not occur in isolated containers. If one wants to know what original intent was, one must examine the intellectual anticedents of the event. Your position--that because we don't know what happened in secret meetings of a special committee of the congress, therefore the original intent was accomodation--is one mighty feeble excuse for an argument.
I did not say that. I only said God can't appear on the page labeled "science" at the top. And don't be kidding yourself about who is drawing battle lines. There is an acknowledged, indeed, celebrated, attempt afoot to undermine the naturalistic (for which a scientist might easily read "evidence-based" but which a creationist erroneously reads "god-rejecting") assumptions modern science needs to make to do its job by weakinging science curriculums by including ID speculation as if it were science.
God keep you.
As a matter of fact, if I have a sufficiently large majority (a Constitutional majority), I can change every word in the Constitution and the Amendments, including, as an example, establishing a national religion. All it requires is 2/3's of each house of Congress, and 3/4's of the state legislatures.
Indeed you could--if you are overly fond of anarcy and tyranny. It is very tough on people to have to re-establish a basis for the common law, and it is rare to get it right. that's what's so insanely great about our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Useless as they are now, they served us well for 250 years--longer than the Roman Republic lasted, longer than the reign of any benign monarch. A triumph in a realm where punting and going belly-up is the common expectation.
That is not my view. Since David Hume, most scientists and philosophers of science have been of the opinion nothing in the natural sciences can be proven. You can only develop (or lose) high confidence in a theory, you can never prove it--the tools for doing so do not exist, as they do in formal mathematics.
What I have contended, in my opinion, quite sensibly, is that what most scientists think is science is what we should teach as science. Likewise, I hold the opinion that what most dictionary consultants regard as good grammar should be taught as good grammar.
Uh huh. No one says that. What the current court says is governments can't spend money on it. No court finding, of which I am aware, nor any statement of Washington's, forbids a student or a legislative representative, or a postman from saying a prayer. It prevents them all from perverting an expensive public forum into a pulpit for the benefit of one religion to the exclusion of others.
As was obviously intended by Washington (and from the quotes I have given) , Madison, the Establishment clause, and the current Supreme Court.
Well evolution is a faith-based belief too. Nobody was around then to measure red-shifts, luminosities, rotational and translational velocities, radiation backgrounds, density fluctuations and whatnot. Interesting stuff, to be sure, but it belongs to the theoreticians. As any decent experimentalist knows, extrapolation can be tricky.
Everything anyone believes is faith-based. Even mathematical proofs.
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