Cobb (County, GA) dads enter fray over evolution in schools

Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 9.8.02 | MARY MacDONALD

[Tennessee_Bob]

This whole thing kind of sticks in your craw, doesn't it?

I do not believe that fantasy and religion should be taught in a publicly funded classroom, PERIOD.

Guess we need to get rid of classical literature as well? After all, it's all fantasy, right? No need to read The Illiad or The Odyssey. We can get rid of Wilson Rawls Where The Red Fern Grows, and all that Dr. Seuss garbage as well.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

If it were not for evolution FACT and it's parameters I would not have been able to predict, test and verify the presence of these pathogens. PCR-DNA tests don't lie and I have cured a dozen incurable diseases.

PCR-DNA tests have nothing whatsoever to do with the theory of Natural Selection. You'd think that they would have taught you that it med school. The founder of genetics, himself a Catholic priest, did not believe in natural selection, so your assertion that they are somehow connected is ludicrous.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

OK, so the theory of gravity, is faith based then as well? Or the theory of calculus, mathematics, etc, all scientific findings are called theories.

As you may have heard, there is no 'theory of gravity'. There is however, a 'law of gravity'. The existence of gravity is not in doubt. IMO the existence of evolution is not in doubt. The mechanism of evolution by natural selection is a theory, and requires a faith in materialism, since it assumes that direction is not a possibility. This has not been proven, and probably can never be proven. It requires a proof that God does not exist.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

I do not believe that fantasy and religion should be taught in a publicly funded classroom, PERIOD.

In a way, I agree with you. It is my belief that after a period of transition, participation in public education in any way should be punished by execution. Only private and religious education should be permitted. Public schools are a pernicious evil, in part because it permits folks like you to attempt to impose their prejudices by force upon the population. I do believe that this private and religious education should be financed by the government.

[Aric2000]

Bob,

You need to get a life and quit trying to pervert what I say to mean something that I don't. That is a liberal trick and not what I would call real logical. You're running on emotion and it shows.

[Aric2000]

YOu need to figure out what he's talking about, you should never debate with someone that knows more then you do, it just makes you look foolish.

Fact of the matter is that biologists and chemists of all sorts use evolution and macro evolution to help them in their work. It has saved thousands of peoples lives due to the finding of cures through the theory that you like to try and debunk.

[Aric2000]

Actually, you need to provide proof that god exists, not that he doesn't exist. You cannot prove a double negative.

Your logical thought is failing as usual.

Get some logic and come back and we'll debate some more.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Actually, you need to provide proof that god exists, not that he doesn't exist.

I do not need logical proof in a democratic society. All I need is majority support. The number of committed atheists is about 1%. You lose.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Fact of the matter is that biologists and chemists of all sorts use evolution and macro evolution to help them in their work. It has saved thousands of peoples lives due to the finding of cures through the theory that you like to try and debunk.

No matter how many times you repeat a lie, it does not become true. It did not work out for Joseph Goebbels in the long run, it will not work for you.

[Aric2000]

I think School vouchers are a great way to get this whole thing worked out. It's called school choice.

BUT, I do not want my children being taught creationism alongside evolution, like they are somehow equal. If I want them taught creationism then I will send them to private school for that FAITH based education that you seem so fond of.

I am not fond of either option, this is why I homeschool, and I think that if I make that choice, then the government should just LEAVE me the hell alone. I don't want their money, you know why? because it gives them control over my children. These are my children and I am responsible for their education, not them, not you, not anyone.

I have chosen to teach them facts, therefore they are taught evolution and if some crackpot tried to come in and teach them some faith based creationism, I would be taking someones head off at the shoulders. namely said creationist.

If I want to teach them creationism, that is my choice, NOT yours, NOT the schools, MINE. The school teaches facts and science, not the creationism myth out of some holy book. It is YOUR job as a parent to teach your children that at home, where it will NOT effect the choice of other parents.

IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TEACH THEM CREATIONISM, if that is your choice, NOT THE SCHOOLS. The SCHOOLS TEACH SCIENCE, NOT MYTH.

[Aric2000]

Did I say that I was an atheist, where did I say I was an atheist? Show me where I said that I was an atheist.

I see, so if I somehow get a majority to decide that you need to be killed, well then, that would be OK, because a majority of us decided that that is what was needed? Democracy, such a wonderful thing, NOT!! THis a republic, NOT a democracy, and no matter how many time you repeat the lie that this is a democracy, it will never make it true.

[Aric2000]

YOu need to get out and read more, there are many discoveries being made every day. YOU are the one repeating the lies of creationists, NOT I!!

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

To repeat, I believe that all public school teachers, after a period of transition, should be put to death, if they remain recalcitrant. You can teach your child your fantasies, and I will teach mine the Truth.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

I am sorry, I do not deal with Birchers, too treacherous.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Did I say that I was an atheist, where did I say I was an atheist?

A good working definition of an atheist is that an atheist is someone who does not adhere to the truth that God created the human race. You do not adhere to this truth, therefore you are an atheist, QED.

[Aric2000]

I see, maybe you would be happier in a country like Saudi Arabia or Iran. My consitution says that there is freedom of speech and religion in this country.

If you don't like it, perhaps you should leave.

[Aric2000]

Birchers? Treasonous? Sorry, when you start talking about a religious theocracy in this country, you are being the treasonous one.

[Conservative til I die]

Why do you hate God.

[JMJ333]

At its root, this evolution bidness is about God not science. Evolutionary theory is simply the product of Darwin and others inability to reconcile and all-loving and omnipotent God with the waste and cruelty of nature. All they have are half-baked assumptions and are far...very far..from being scientific. Its theology in scientific dress.

[Conservative til I die]

Creation takes a HUGE amount of faith, you must believe that the bible is indeed the word of god, you must believe that god really cares enough to have created it in the first place, you must believe in all your heart that all of those words in the bible, rewritten and translated as they have been, have not been perverted or changed through that translation.

Christians believe that Jesus of Nazareth died and resurrected Himself, proving Himself to be God, the Creator of the Universe. Believing the rest isn't too hard.

BTW, Catholic scholars have for over a millennia stressed that creation as told in Genesis did not happen in six literal days. The Hebrew used for days in Genesis means era.

All of that takes a lot more faith then the theory of evolution, the theory of evolution is scientific,

Quasiscientific. No one can test evolution like one can test gravity, or properties of chemicals, or magnetism or the speed of sound. Evolution consists of finding a couple of bones and making huge extrapolations in order to fill in the blanks, which or more like Grand Canyon-sized chasms.

it is speculation based on scientific facts.

What facts?