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To: cva66snipe
Well, I hate big government. I believe the Founders intended for government to remain severely limited in power, size and scope. The limits have been removed by successive populist, progressive and liberal governments.

Government excesses need to be rolled back and the limits enforced and our Liberty restored. That is a fact and I doubt many FReepers would disagree.

I hate socialism in all it's forms. I think the income tax is an unconstitutional slave tax and that it should be repealed and replaced with an excise tax as the founders intended. I think social security is also an unconstitutional slave tax and should be repealed and not replaced. The same can be said of medi-care or any socialized health care program. The founders never intended any of this.

I hate government involvement in education. The public school system has become nothing but an expensive socialist government indoctrination camp. We can go on and on with all of the things that are wrong with this government and need to be fixed or removed, mostly removed, and I know that both parties share in the blame for much of this.

However, I see the Democrat Party as the leading cause and the primary mover for socialism in America. Their goal is to expand government and socialism even further. They will not rest until we have a completely socialized health care system.

They'll continue expanding their evil government funded abortion programs. Their taking of God and faith from every aspect of our public conscience and replacing it with homosexuality, feminism, and whatever other victimhood program they can institute.

Their goals are to systematically remove whatever defenses we may have left. They'll take our guns. You can bet on that. They'll take our right to campaign for the values we hold dear. They'll take our right to speak out or to openly resist.

Their goals include removing any all remaining constitutional restraints that stand in there way and then completely surrendering the last hopes for freedom and national sovereignty.

When President Gore or President Hillary signs the next round of international treaties, they'll be turning the keys for America over to the U.N. and other socialist world government organizations. These treaties are on equal footing with the Constitution. They become the supreme law of the land. That is the way they will finally destroy the final constitutional limits and destroy American freedom once and for all. A shot will never be fired, but we will lose it all.

And, yes, there are some Republicans who allow this to happen. Even some who join right in there. I'd love nothing more than to dump them with the evil Democrats, however, there is one giant obstacle. Political majority.

In this two party system, the party that holds the majority is the party that controls the agenda. They choose who will chair the committees and what legislation will be moved and what legislation will be killed. They control which nominees get voted on and which get shunted aside. They effectively control the judiciary. They ratify the treaties. A Democrat majority plus a handful of liberal Republicans and it's all over.

Wall-to-wall liberal activist judiciary, nothing but expanding socialist government programs as far as the eye can see, and nothing but sovereignty and freedom robbing treaties on the horizon.

You can dump the moderates and liberal Republicans if you wish, but what are you going to replace them with? Democrats? Surely you do not believe that a Libertarian or other tiny conservative third party candidate will defeat a liberal in a liberal state or district?

You will give up the Republican and give the seat to the Democrat. That's like a two for one free gimmee for the socialists. That will only make it that much harder to obtain a Republican majority.

I'll keep the moderates and attempt to dump the democrat in any race, thereby maintaining or increasing the Republican majority. There is no other way to block the socialists. We must overcome their votes.

Support and vote for the most conservative candidate, hopefully a Republican, in the primaries. That's where we can increase conservative influence and send the message. But vote for the Republican in the general election. That's were we directly re-take or increase the majority and maintain the block on the socialist agenda, and, hopefully, someday soon that majority will be large enough and conservative enough to actually start rolling it back.

2,758 posted on 09/21/2002 2:05:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
However, I see the Democrat Party as the leading cause and the primary mover for socialism in America. Their goal is to expand government and socialism even further. They will not rest until we have a completely socialized health care system.

Which party pray tell do you think I have been fighting in my state for the past 8 years on this very issue? You and others are missing the point myself and others are screaming aabout yet some can't seem to hear. Tell me if Don Sundquist was eligable for a third term and won the primary should I vote for him because he is a Republican? Well should I? Have you seen his track record? The DEMs love him. Good grief in 1998 they ran the party joke to make certain he stayed in office. Nothing like a nice Republican Socialist to do your dirty chores for you.

So what did Sundquiost the RINO do for the Tennessee GOP anyway? I'll tell you what he did and it's posted in many a thread in this forum. He split the party. He abandoned Conservatives. I'll tell you what had not a few DEMs had more conservative backbone than many of our state Republicans we would have a state income tax right now thanks to Don Sundquist-R.

You are not going to get results you want electing RINO's to office. Not now not ever it simply isd not going to happen that is truth. You just get problems like Sundquist which is two to fight against your party and the other.

Now follow this a moment further. I wish Sundquist had lost his very first election and a Dem got in office. Yes I said that and yes I mean it. But why?

Simply because Sundquist split the party in half giving leverage to the DEMs by GOP fools following his que simply out of a warped sense of party loyality to the jerk. Had he lost? The GOP would have been united to a common enenmy and been a lot more of a factor stopping the DEM agenda. It's sad how people can not see this for what it is. It is sometimes better to loose standing your ground than to win and the victory prize be given to your enemy.

What am I saying then? I would rather see the GOP loose fighting for a solid cause than to win fighting for the cause of the other side. A minority United is stronger than a majority divided. Especially when the numbers are as close as they are now. We don't need control of both houses first. We need a sense of cause first and right now the liberals cause is running first place in both parties mandates. If it takes a loss to bring the GOP back to 1994 thinking so be it. When it comes right down to it it's not the Committee seats that matter. What matters is what is passed or failed by vote in congress.

I can't buy into this direction being pushed. I think in the long run it's worse than the DEms winning a term. The GOP is out of control and is not intersted in what you, I, or any other conservative thinks. Electing more who think the same IN THE PARTY gets you what? You're voting yourself and your voice out of the GOP get it? I reckon some will wake up when they see a Liberal Kennedy on the GOP ticket. Then again some will see it as a form of victory as if they changed their views to suit ours.

It's quite obvious many in here do not share this idea or thought so with this post I will leave it at that for this thread.

2,764 posted on 09/21/2002 2:42:27 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: Jim Robinson
Another good post Jim
2,775 posted on 09/21/2002 8:27:15 PM PDT by Mo1
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