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Our Republic and Our Free Republic
9-6-02 | Joe Phillips

Posted on 09/06/2002 8:17:16 AM PDT by BADJOE

History teaches some very good lessons. They are hard to learn but our forefathers did a great job.

From the beginning of time man has overthrown one form of centralized government only to re-establish another one in its place. Our forefathers understood this far better than anyone ever had. They said governments are the eternal enemy of free men. They said that in order for man to remain free it would take a bloody revolution every other generation, unless you bound down (bastard) government with the chains of the constitution.

On another site this week a poster asked if anyone else hated government as much as he did. I replied to him

"Hell !! I thought you were not a good American if you didn't love our country and hate our government.

At least that is how I have always felt about it"

I think our forefathers had the same attitude that I have now. And I think it is inherent in the average Americans attitude to distrust and have disdain for any government, including ours. One of the hardest conclusions I had to arrive at as a young man, after having been a product of the public school system, was that our government was not on our side. As James Forrestahl, former secretary of the Navy, who suffered a mysterious death, once said about our State Department's foreign policy, " Stupidity is never a mark of consistancy. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor".

Newt Gringrich put it in a humourous manner when talking about the attitude of Europeans. He related the following story. If you go to Europe and drive on the Autobahn, you feel pretty good cruising down the highway at 100 mph when some some German passes you doing 140 mph. Now he said if the Bundestag passed the 55mph speed limit law, every German would dutifully obey that law, untill the next election. They would vote the 55 mph crowd out of office and the no speed limit crowd in. In America Newt said "A speed limit sign is a benchmark of opportunity.

It is obvious that Yankees and Euros have entirely different attitudes about government's edicts. There are darn few Americans who do not break the speed limit laws everyday.

Now we come to the Free Republic. Once a free wheeling, joyful site for news and discussion of politics, economics, philosophy, ethics and morals. I could not understand the transformation that has taken place in the last six months. Camaraderie, the sense of family, and cooperation seems to have disappeared. Are the Freepers exhibiting the same disdain for the new FR as Americans have for our government?


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To: carenot
In fact, #980 is my last post on this thread...
981 posted on 09/06/2002 5:46:24 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Chad Fairbanks
This is what I use on idiots like that:


982 posted on 09/06/2002 5:46:31 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Chad Fairbanks
No no....you have to respond to the one I responded to you with. :-)
983 posted on 09/06/2002 5:47:01 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: carenot
Good point, but aren't the polititians the ones that make the laws that ignore the Constitution?

Yes! But when politicians are identified as the culprits ... there's redress! When the "Government" is blamed, that signals a powerlessness and surrender. The latter is a cop-out. The former is a call to action. That's why we need to personalize our enemies, and remove them from their positions of power. They have names, faces and titles. They are there through political means, they must be removed the same way.

That's my "beef" with the anti-"government" nonsense. It masks the sources of our political injury, and the steps we need to change that reality.

984 posted on 09/06/2002 5:47:03 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Howlin
ROTFL....

(btw, I'm not posting on this thread anymore... so don't tell anyone about this reply)

985 posted on 09/06/2002 5:48:09 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Howlin
No no....you have to respond to the one I responded to you with. :-)

Well, ok... but just this once...

986 posted on 09/06/2002 5:49:05 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Chad Fairbanks
(Neither am I.)
987 posted on 09/06/2002 5:49:19 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: ArneFufkin
Some of the anti-Statist enthusiasts around here get banned because they are irresponsible and selfish a$$holes. They taunt the operators of the site. They get their post yanked, and they repost it. Their mole men pals huddle together to lament their passing. It's like a meeting of the cast of "Night of the Living Dead"


"We who had traumatic toilet training hate all authority!"

988 posted on 09/06/2002 5:49:34 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
C.J., I am obsessed with joining the "Gang of Three". That is such a Cultural Revolution/A Great Leap Forward kind of social club. I want in! That Grlfrnd woman was hilarious that night ... she was "Gang of Three" tipsy.
989 posted on 09/06/2002 5:50:33 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Chad Fairbanks; Howlin
i believe we're missing the point here, campers.

hey mods, can you stop the post ticker ?
that way, we can all agree in writing to quit posting,
without runnin' up the count anymore ...

$0.02

990 posted on 09/06/2002 5:52:15 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Howlin
Thank god FR has this html < stealth > < /stealth > tag, or people would be able to read this...
991 posted on 09/06/2002 5:52:19 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: tomkat
All your post ticker are belong to us...
992 posted on 09/06/2002 5:53:38 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: ArneFufkin

On target as usual, ArneFufkin.

993 posted on 09/06/2002 5:56:31 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Admin Moderator
so, can you guys stop the ticker or not ???

this doesn't count toward the 1,000 - it's an official business sorta thing ...


994 posted on 09/06/2002 5:56:57 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: tomkat
Ya know, maybe it's just me, but I think it would send a powerful message for this thread to hit 1,000 only because of some vey vey series cheese posts... ;0)
995 posted on 09/06/2002 5:59:46 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: one_particular_harbour
God must have been good to me on FR. So far I have managed to avoid running into any JW bots, and in most cases when I have encountered the "cyber sisters" I've been able to mentally relegate them to their playpen and continue the discussion at hand.

While I find some FReepers abrasive in the way they present themselves and some of their ideas at odds with what I personally perceive to be conducive to promoting a more conservative America, I am willing to accept that there is room for a wide range of opinions in the quest for that common goal. I do think, however, that there are a few here who espouse views that are counterproductive, but unless they are disruptive, I haven't found that to be an insurmountable problem either. They are good for honing our skills when reasoned debate fails. I kinda think that is why some of them are still around, but I won't mention any names. :-) There's enough of that as it is.

996 posted on 09/06/2002 6:00:31 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: tomkat
Are you strapped to some detonating device that is triggered by post 1000?
997 posted on 09/06/2002 6:00:36 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Chad Fairbanks
OK, I'll bite.
998 posted on 09/06/2002 6:00:46 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: ArneFufkin
1,000?
999 posted on 09/06/2002 6:01:18 PM PDT by TigersEye
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To: Timesink
10) The Free Republic MasterCard with a low 9.9% interest rate and 15% off all potassium iodide pills and Geiger counters

Jeeez, you wuz robbed with those interest rates...


1,000 posted on 09/06/2002 6:01:42 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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