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9-6-02
| Joe Phillips
Posted on 09/06/2002 8:17:16 AM PDT by BADJOE
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To: BADJOE
"Now we come to the Free Republic. Once a free wheeling, joyful site for news and discussion of politics, economics, philosophy, ethics and morals. I could not understand the transformation that has taken place in the last six months. Camaraderie, the sense of family, and cooperation seems to have disappeared. Are the Freepers exhibiting the same disdain for the new FR as Americans have for our government?" Joe,
One thing I think you are missing here is that FR has been undergoing a transformation for 6 years, not 6 month. I think that all of the things you used to love about FR are still present, but they are harder to see through the clamor and smoke. FR is a meeting place of sorts; Jim provides the venue and occasionally tailors the conversation to suit his tastes. Although we act as though it is a public gathering, it is really an open private gathering. I miss the old days where I felt as though I knew all of the posters and we could argue freely. The point is that now there are over 80,000 registered Freepers and there needs to be some more direction and crowd control. Even with the minimal restrictions, it is still possible to find the things you like in Freerepublic, it just takes a little more effort.
Maybe that other board is the place where you need to do the old simple things you used to do here and FR is the place where you come for other thing? I dont mean that as a slam, just an observation. I have seen many changes here over the years, and I have also seen Jims approach over and over again. Sometimes I felt it was certain people having undue influence over him (and using him in the process) and others I felt were Jim just saying Hey its my house and this is how I want the game played. Never have I felt unwelcome to play, but sometimes I have been perturbed by how the game was going.
FR is and always will be a work in progress. Currently I think that it has become to visible not to have an impact, and because of this its agenda will get stronger. If it is promoting an agenda you can not live with then either step back and observe or try to influence the agenda yourself (this is for everyone). If you cant get what you want, well we all lose sometimes in life and it is best to be a gracious loser who returns to fight another day.
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posted on
09/06/2002 8:43:58 AM PDT
by
Woodman
To: BADJOE
The distinction between properly-construed government (which upholds, properly protects, and properly defends freedom, individual rights and sovereignty, against predators at home - real predators, please, not mere vicemongers - and real or evidentially prospective attackers from abroad) and the improperly-consecrated State (which upholds, protects, and defends nothing beyond its usurped right to plunder her citizens who have been made, effectively, into subjects, and contort that plunder into mechanisms by which she mandates rather than protects her citizens' lives as she, not they, deems fit), is a distinction too easily lost or dismissed in time of real or alleged crisis. To our peril.
We can deny our history and our heritage, but we cannot escape responsibility for the result. As a nation, we have come into our full inheritance at a tender age. We proclaim ourselves as, indeed, we are - the defenders of freedom, what remains of it in the world. But we cannot defend freedom abroad by abandoning it at home. - Edward R. Murrow.
To: OneidaM; BADJOE
I agree completely. I am hoping that the rest of us just stay funny, and don't get sucked into this.
BADJOE, please Report Abuse and kill this spawn of yours!
To: BADJOE
I thought you were not a good American if you didn't love our country and hate our governmentI have one bumper sticker on my truck. It says "I love my country, I fear my government."
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posted on
09/06/2002 8:46:26 AM PDT
by
AUgrad
To: BADJOE
Et tu, BADJOE?
To: BluesDuke
as usual, Duke, well said ...
46
posted on
09/06/2002 8:47:53 AM PDT
by
tomkat
To: HairOfTheDog
Cheese, anyone?
To: Darth Sidious
Oh - Shame on you!
To: BADJOE
History teaches some very good lessons.History also repeats itself...as it is doing on this very thread.
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posted on
09/06/2002 8:48:47 AM PDT
by
dubyagee
Comment #50 Removed by Moderator
To: BADJOE
We'll start withholding our contributions to FR (you contributed, didn't you?) when crotchety secessionists like myself get stifled. It hasn't happened yet. I don't see where there's a problem.
To: Physicist
Joe, I thought you and someone else were overseeing the moderation. If anyone knows what's going on, it should be you. Rather than beating around the bush, can you tell us what happened, and why you are unable settle this privately with Jim?Personally, I don't WANT to know what happened. Personally, I am SICK of hearing/seeing this debate being bantered about at a time when we as a nation are going through what we are going through.
And it especially to hear/see the rhetoric posted in his opening to this thread.
After his last few temper tantrums, the number of posters who were unhappy here, surely were NOT outnumbered by those who are happy here.
Obviously this problem did not get resolved to JOE'S satisfaction. He does have an alternative yanow.
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posted on
09/06/2002 8:50:35 AM PDT
by
Neets
Comment #53 Removed by Moderator
To: BADJOE
Once a free wheeling, joyful site for news and discussion of politics, economics, philosophy, ethics and moralsIt still is if the Admin can get rid of people wanting to run the site as they wish and attempting to get banned freepers reinstated, undermining Jim and John Robinson and making posts in an attempt to complete a coup. Know what I mean, Vern?
To: BADJOE
Sounds like Jim Robinson clipped your wings again, did he BadJoe? You didn't get your way again? Maybe take you off the Moderator Forum or whatever it is you where so upset about before?
Get a life and stop this bullshit. If it's so bad then move on down the road.
This forum has survived major changes in the past, lawsuits, disruptions among the members, factions that have split off, and who knows what else. These changes will continue in the future as long as there is a Forum.
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posted on
09/06/2002 8:51:39 AM PDT
by
deport
To: BADJOE
Camaraderie, the sense of family, and cooperation seems to have disappeared.I dunno Joe, I still see it - at least among groups of FReepers. We pray for each other, support each other, share ideas. Some of the threads get ugly, but we're all brave behind a keyboard, right?
To: Mudboy Slim
Except fer a number of disgruntled AFers on websites that no one reads, what the heck are you talking about.Please define AFer.
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posted on
09/06/2002 8:52:00 AM PDT
by
AUgrad
To: dirtboy
That low buzzing sound in the background is a score of AF worker bees madly re-posting this thread around the internet.And the buzzing you heard beforehand was them putting poor ol gullible Joe up to it. Sad.
To: BADJOE
Could you be more specific? I was under the impression that these issues were worked out behind the scene? Joe, you're a tiger on this site. Don't let anything stop what you do for us all.
To: RedBloodedAmerican
Very sad, and even more sad is he has no clue.
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posted on
09/06/2002 8:54:03 AM PDT
by
Neets
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