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Our Republic and Our Free Republic
9-6-02 | Joe Phillips

Posted on 09/06/2002 8:17:16 AM PDT by BADJOE

History teaches some very good lessons. They are hard to learn but our forefathers did a great job.

From the beginning of time man has overthrown one form of centralized government only to re-establish another one in its place. Our forefathers understood this far better than anyone ever had. They said governments are the eternal enemy of free men. They said that in order for man to remain free it would take a bloody revolution every other generation, unless you bound down (bastard) government with the chains of the constitution.

On another site this week a poster asked if anyone else hated government as much as he did. I replied to him

"Hell !! I thought you were not a good American if you didn't love our country and hate our government.

At least that is how I have always felt about it"

I think our forefathers had the same attitude that I have now. And I think it is inherent in the average Americans attitude to distrust and have disdain for any government, including ours. One of the hardest conclusions I had to arrive at as a young man, after having been a product of the public school system, was that our government was not on our side. As James Forrestahl, former secretary of the Navy, who suffered a mysterious death, once said about our State Department's foreign policy, " Stupidity is never a mark of consistancy. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor".

Newt Gringrich put it in a humourous manner when talking about the attitude of Europeans. He related the following story. If you go to Europe and drive on the Autobahn, you feel pretty good cruising down the highway at 100 mph when some some German passes you doing 140 mph. Now he said if the Bundestag passed the 55mph speed limit law, every German would dutifully obey that law, untill the next election. They would vote the 55 mph crowd out of office and the no speed limit crowd in. In America Newt said "A speed limit sign is a benchmark of opportunity.

It is obvious that Yankees and Euros have entirely different attitudes about government's edicts. There are darn few Americans who do not break the speed limit laws everyday.

Now we come to the Free Republic. Once a free wheeling, joyful site for news and discussion of politics, economics, philosophy, ethics and morals. I could not understand the transformation that has taken place in the last six months. Camaraderie, the sense of family, and cooperation seems to have disappeared. Are the Freepers exhibiting the same disdain for the new FR as Americans have for our government?


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To: tomkat
Tom .. chill on the language .. it really isn't needed
261 posted on 09/06/2002 9:59:10 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: AAABEST; OneidaM
You wouldn't know that because you're an idiot who doesn't even know that Kristinn is a guy.

Follow closely Einstein, and I'll type real slow. The gender reference was to OneidaM, who Beckie accused of doing something negative to Kristinn. For that I said maybe she's not all bad.

262 posted on 09/06/2002 9:59:30 AM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
BTW, both of us LOVE this country!! If you and BADJOE hate it, then speak up now to us. We want to know!!

Go back and reread what was posted. The 'country' and the 'government' are not one and the same thing.

263 posted on 09/06/2002 9:59:45 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: denydenydeny
(Monty Python voice) 'Ere! That's not blood! That's a bunch of red fabric an' they're stirrin' it around!
264 posted on 09/06/2002 10:00:00 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Yes, WE certainly do....thank YOU!!!
265 posted on 09/06/2002 10:00:34 AM PDT by Neets
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To: one_particular_harbour
Judicial Watch now offers its own membership badge with holder, to members. It has an additional slot for JW membership card or ID. Make it official by owning a JW badge.

You forgot to mention that JW membership badges come FREE! inside specially-marked boxes of


266 posted on 09/06/2002 10:00:40 AM PDT by BluesDuke
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To: Admin Moderator
gotcha
reply on its way ...
267 posted on 09/06/2002 10:00:56 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: BADJOE
You looks like such a bad sport, Joe.
I can't hate the government, because I still believe in my heart that the government is the people, and that the people can bring about change if they really want to.
My frustration lies with the people of America who are too easily satisfied with too little liberty.
The only way to change that is through forums such as this -- Free Republic is VALUABLE and oughtn't be corrupted with this kind of personal griping trash. You'll never convince people to do the right thing with such a hateful, spiteful agenda.
268 posted on 09/06/2002 10:00:58 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: justshe; FreedominJesusChrist
She is also the most determined to hijack ANY thread, it would seem. Becuase it happens over and over and over.

She's just a struggling college student trying to make ends meet. I think she gets paid per thread. JW blood money.

269 posted on 09/06/2002 10:01:13 AM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: Mudboy Slim
Already started at my house and it it only 10:00AM : )
270 posted on 09/06/2002 10:01:48 AM PDT by BADJOE
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To: one_particular_harbour

271 posted on 09/06/2002 10:02:15 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: angelo
and there is also a big difference between "disagreeing" with the goverment and "hating" the government.

DO i agree with everything OUR government does??? No, but that does not give me cause to "HATE" it.

272 posted on 09/06/2002 10:02:16 AM PDT by Neets
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To: Mo1; OneidaM

Please stop picking on the Band.

273 posted on 09/06/2002 10:02:38 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: AppyPappy
agreed
think some might need sauce, or salt, or something ...
275 posted on 09/06/2002 10:02:46 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: BluesDuke
Your best post so far!
276 posted on 09/06/2002 10:03:05 AM PDT by habs4ever
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To: VA Advogado
You know that is libel.
277 posted on 09/06/2002 10:03:51 AM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: BluesDuke
My favorite was "Blisterene"
278 posted on 09/06/2002 10:04:16 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
I note you left out this one: "Finally, it was a badge of honor to American Colonists who hated England."

I think we are somewhere in the middle between American Colonists who hated England, and Italians who hated Fascism, with -- at this point -- a strong leaning towards American Colonists who hated England.

Sorry to pee in your koolaid like that.

279 posted on 09/06/2002 10:04:17 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Mo1
sorry pastor, sometimes it just comes over me ...   
280 posted on 09/06/2002 10:04:38 AM PDT by tomkat
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