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Our Republic and Our Free Republic
9-6-02 | Joe Phillips

Posted on 09/06/2002 8:17:16 AM PDT by BADJOE

History teaches some very good lessons. They are hard to learn but our forefathers did a great job.

From the beginning of time man has overthrown one form of centralized government only to re-establish another one in its place. Our forefathers understood this far better than anyone ever had. They said governments are the eternal enemy of free men. They said that in order for man to remain free it would take a bloody revolution every other generation, unless you bound down (bastard) government with the chains of the constitution.

On another site this week a poster asked if anyone else hated government as much as he did. I replied to him

"Hell !! I thought you were not a good American if you didn't love our country and hate our government.

At least that is how I have always felt about it"

I think our forefathers had the same attitude that I have now. And I think it is inherent in the average Americans attitude to distrust and have disdain for any government, including ours. One of the hardest conclusions I had to arrive at as a young man, after having been a product of the public school system, was that our government was not on our side. As James Forrestahl, former secretary of the Navy, who suffered a mysterious death, once said about our State Department's foreign policy, " Stupidity is never a mark of consistancy. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor".

Newt Gringrich put it in a humourous manner when talking about the attitude of Europeans. He related the following story. If you go to Europe and drive on the Autobahn, you feel pretty good cruising down the highway at 100 mph when some some German passes you doing 140 mph. Now he said if the Bundestag passed the 55mph speed limit law, every German would dutifully obey that law, untill the next election. They would vote the 55 mph crowd out of office and the no speed limit crowd in. In America Newt said "A speed limit sign is a benchmark of opportunity.

It is obvious that Yankees and Euros have entirely different attitudes about government's edicts. There are darn few Americans who do not break the speed limit laws everyday.

Now we come to the Free Republic. Once a free wheeling, joyful site for news and discussion of politics, economics, philosophy, ethics and morals. I could not understand the transformation that has taken place in the last six months. Camaraderie, the sense of family, and cooperation seems to have disappeared. Are the Freepers exhibiting the same disdain for the new FR as Americans have for our government?


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To: ArneFufkin
Then you may leave the playing field in an orderly fashion. You are the weakest link. Bye bye.

No, I don't want to leave. I refuse to "move on".

I do vote and I vote for the best man. I don't want to waste my vote by just voting against some one.

1,061 posted on 09/06/2002 6:35:45 PM PDT by carenot
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To: Indy Pendance
If a person disagrees with the policies of a business, walk away. I don't patronize Sears or buy Tyson Chicken or Hentz Catsup for those very reasons


1,062 posted on 09/06/2002 6:37:43 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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To: dirtboy
"Rotsa ruck...

LOL!! favorite phrase of mine.

1,063 posted on 09/06/2002 6:38:54 PM PDT by harpo11
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To: ArneFufkin; Miss Marple; Cultural Jihad; Texasforever
Hold on now.......I'll have you know that on "some" (dubious) internet listings, I am NUMBER NINE on the list of biggest A##E# at FR. Number 9! What's a girl got to do to get ahead???????
1,064 posted on 09/06/2002 6:39:06 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: TigersEye
laaaaa, lala, la, la, la ...

that the one ?   

1,065 posted on 09/06/2002 6:39:24 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: tpaine
Two bits you can't explain away THAT line, fufkin, -- without putting down the bottle.

Two bits ... well, after considerable thought, some here have concluded that you look exactly like the character featured on the cover of Jethro Tull's Aqualung album. That's you tpaine - gnarled, dissheveled, world beaten, bitter and really quite handsome in your own goblinesque kind of way.

Do you still remember September's foggy freeze?

1,066 posted on 09/06/2002 6:39:26 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
I guess once the whiners got what they were asking for, the unlimited freedom to be "themselves", they are now wondering what hit them. They came back in strutting like bantam roosters and left plucked chickens. Beware unintended consequences.
1,067 posted on 09/06/2002 6:39:51 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: harpo11
I prefer: Huck Fillary
1,068 posted on 09/06/2002 6:39:55 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Howlin
Date me, that's what. There are entire internet forums devoted to that subject.
1,069 posted on 09/06/2002 6:40:37 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: tpaine
Clever
1,070 posted on 09/06/2002 6:41:15 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: Mo1
Mo, who knows? I do know FR hired a credit card authorization service, 'bout time. Does that seem plausible to you? I don't believe it is some sudden philisophical epipheny on the part of Joe.
1,071 posted on 09/06/2002 6:42:28 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: tomkat
The one what? 8-I
1,072 posted on 09/06/2002 6:42:37 PM PDT by TigersEye
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To: Cyber Liberty
Well, I'll date you, but I am NOT marrying you.

You'll find me very easy to get along with. Why, if you play your cards right, I won't even have to file legal proceedings against you when you get tired of my rantings and lies and move on.

1,073 posted on 09/06/2002 6:42:42 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: ArneFufkin

OR

?

1,074 posted on 09/06/2002 6:43:35 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Howlin
Sounds good. And damned accurate, too. I don't wanna drop another $4K.
1,075 posted on 09/06/2002 6:44:12 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: ArneFufkin

1,076 posted on 09/06/2002 6:44:32 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: ArneFufkin
I guess ...

For now .. I think I just need a drink ..LOL
1,077 posted on 09/06/2002 6:44:49 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: BADJOE
BADJOE, I know nothing. What has been happening? I do not understand what this is all about?
1,078 posted on 09/06/2002 6:45:10 PM PDT by harpo11
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To: Howlin
Number nine isn't bad Howlin. You've got a lot of upside potential, lady. Knocking Sinkspur out of spots 1-6 is going to be a challenge but ...
1,079 posted on 09/06/2002 6:45:18 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Mudboy Slim
OFFICIAL JUDGES' POST:
Psst: we're rolling in entries and can expect more tomorrow.
So far, entries are: 1037, 1013, 965, 954, 887, 886, 870, 764, 762, 752, 738, 736, 724, 680, and 667.

Don't worry, I'm keeping a running list and what I'll do around 7 p.m. (expect not to be home at 5 pm) is post them in a new thread called the Judges' Thread or something and line them all up in a row. Then I'll ping ya'. Then we can wander about in that thread and make comments and any interlopers that want to make comments can. But I'd just note, since we have so many willing participants, please freepmail me and tell me how you and I want to make your final discussion by 10 p.m. tomorrow. I suppose we can discuss by Freep mail.
1,080 posted on 09/06/2002 6:45:34 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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