Government Raid Victims of the "War on Drugs"

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[Illbay]

And I think that having it so that your rights are only valid if a deity exists, is not good policy. Our rights exist because we are human beings who deserve them.

First of all, I have to say I'm not surprised that already I'm getting responses against the notion of deity or religion from you people.

Second, the FUNDAMENTAL BASIS upon which this nation and its Constitution are founded, is that we derive our basic, unalienable rights from our Creator, God. So yes, our rights ARE only valid if deity exists; otherwise, NOTHING is absolute, and the only law that is "right" is the law of the victor.

We exist as human beings because our Creator made us. He also is the author of our rights. And He has mandated that we have free choice in our actions, but He has also provided for consequences if our choices are incorrect.

You can rail and philosophize against that eternal, immutable truth all you want, but it remains true.

You can't break the rock of truth; you can only break yourself against it.

[EBUCK]

Ah yes the old "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" communist mantra. Similar in origin and application to the old "from each according....".

The bill of rights gurantees INDIVIDUAL rights and freedoms.

EBUCK

[JediGirl]

It wasn't enough to be against the WoD as a Federal intrusion; you had to see free dope as a fundamental constitutional right.

Um. Nobody sees free alcohol as a fundamental constitutional right. However, many see that control over our own bodies as a fundamental right. I've never heard anyone say that we should be supplied with free dope. Stop making yourself look stupid by posting lies.

You had to agree that taking dope is a harmless personal choice that has NO EFFECT on anyone else.

Nobody has said that. Many things we do have effects on our families and those close to us. But some things have no effect. Shooting up (heroin) every day would have an effect on those around me because it's a very addictive substance and chances are if I were shooting up every day, I'd be addicted and would care about nothing but getting the drug. However, my sitting here smoking a joint in my bedroom in no way effects you or my family. I do plenty of other things besides smoking pot. It's not the first thing I think of when I wake up and last thing I think of before I go to bed. For some people, it is. It's called psychological addiction...many people rely on substances (be it a drug, food, etc) to cope with life. For a long time (and still now) I've coped with life through an eating disorder, something I must constantly fight against. It's affected my friends, family, and others close to me. My body is the first thing I think about when I wake up, and the last thing I think about before I go to bed. Is it selfishness? Or is it a disease?

[fight_truth_decay]

Hey with the attitude "If it feels good..do it!" try feeling good mentoring a kid..try feeling good pursuing a career that is intellectually stimulating...try feeling good by holding your newborn son or daughter...No drug compares!! (Gawd..I sound like my parents)

[dogbyte12]

The 11th commandment: THOU SHALT NOT TOKE

Is that in the newly revised King James?

[SkyRat]

He is in love with socalism & communism. I could quote him and Stalin. You would have a hard time guessing who is who.

[Illbay]

Why was pot not "evil" the day before it was signed?

Evil is not created nor destroyed by the laws of man.

For example, abortion is purely evil; yet it is "protected" by our laws. That doesn't stop us from trying to have the law changed to reflect that which is right.

Conversely, the evil of drug abuse is mostly prohibited by law. And that is impetus enough for right-thinking people to see that it stays that way.

[xdem]

I understood you questioned whether any or many had been accidentally killed. But one can fairly easily check local newspaper websites for information.

These cases are not Internet "conspiracy theories."

[Illbay]

I am still waiting to find out which JBT organization you work for.

The one you fear most: We The People Of The United States of America.

[Illbay]

That's funny. All I see is my voice of infinite reason, ineffectually assailed by the small minds addled by years of drug abuse.

"You aren't more clever when you smoke pot; you just THINK you're more clever."

[dogbyte12]

Which people Illbay? Medical marijuana is passing every state it is put on the ballot. Which we people are ya talking about?

Are ya sure that is oregano you are slipping into your pasta sauce?

[xdem]

It's all about allocation of law enforcement resources. Fighting terrorism is more important than arresting pot-heads.

This seems so manifestly obvious, that I have a hard time believing you're not purposely ignoring my primary point.

[SkyRat]

We The People Of The United States of America.

The ones killed were that also.

[Illbay]

The bill of rights gurantees INDIVIDUAL rights and freedoms.

But it does not guarantee free dope. Period.

[JediGirl]

Evil is not created nor destroyed by the laws of man.

Indeed. "Evil" (pot) was created by God.

Reminds me of one of Bill Hicks' pot rants:

Why is marijuana against the law? It grows naturally upon our planet. Doesn't the idea of making nature against the law seem to you a bit... paranoid? You know what I mean? It's nature. How do you make nature against the f***ing law? It grows everywhere. Serves a thousand different functions, all of them positive. To make marijuana against the law is like saying God made a mistake. You know what I mean, it's like God on the seventh day looked down on his creation:

"There it is, my creation, perfect and holy in all ways. Now, I can rest."

[Mimes God looking around - spotting pot]

"Oh my me."

"I left f***ing pot everywhere."

"I should never have smoked that joint on the third day ..sh**."

"That was the day I created possums. Haha. Still gives me a chuckle."

"If I leave pot everywhere that's goimg to give humans the impression they're supposed to... 'use' it."

"(sigh)Now I have to create Republicans."

[EBUCK]

I could quote him and Stalin. You would have a hard time guessing who is who.

You got that right.

As soon as drugs were viewed as a problem of "society" (even though a very small percentage of citizens are actually abusers) it became the right/responsibility of gubment to rid us of it. The truth is that drugs are a problem for individuals and it is the individuals responsibility to take care of it.

EBUCK

[Eagle Eye]

I'd LOVE to see a show of hands here, as to who are religious--and I mean SERIOUSLY religious, not members of the Church of What's Happening Now.

A) The Bible is written to those who choose to believe it and follow it. It is not written to unbelievers. There is no Biblical support for FORCING or REQUIRING 'love they neighbor...' on anyone except those who choose to submit to Biblical teachings. At least not until the End Times.

B) God gave EVERY plant and herb to man's use with the caveat of not being drunk or given to excesses.

C) Jesus said that it's not what goes into a man's mouth that defiles him, but what comes out, for what comes out reveals the thoughts of the heart. Your words reveal a contempt for liberty and freedom.

Jesus didn't practice prohibition, why do you support it?

[JediGirl]

But it does not guarantee free dope. Period.

I haven't heard anybody calling for free dope....Am I missing something?

[1_American]

What really cemented the transition from Pro to Anti WOD was the vile and disgusting posts of a couple of pro-WODers. They had absolutely no facts to base their beliefs on and resorted to name calling and personal attack when someone disagreed with them. Most vile was one "VA" guys who wanted to poison the drug supply to want those who accidently ingested it "twitch".

I then realized I would MUCH rather live in a country populated by "dope-heads" than live in a country run by the pro-woddies and their Gestapo agents.

Though I still think that people who do dope are dopes and I still believe in "rabid denial", I also believe that the cure is a million times worse than the disease.

It is time to stop the WOD