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Doesn't it make you nervous when everybody around you is chanting agreement with a leader? Even slightly?

I'm just asking for, well heck, I don't know why. But I've never understood how people can be so easily led. If 9/11 wouldn't have happened, maybe my opinion would be different. I don't know. I do know that the power grabs going on right now have nothing to do with safety, and have everything to do with insuring that we'll never see freedom again in our life times. And after the U.S. invades Iraq, I shudder to think what kind of "security" measures will be implemented for the "homeland" (what a horrible word, far too Teutonic IMO).

I guess I'm just amazed that people continue to line up so enthusiastically behind whatever leader is at the podium telling them to give up their liberties and lives.

I guess I'm just amazed that people continue to line up so enthusiastically behind whatever leader is at the podium telling them to give up their liberties and lives.

Putting aside the validity of your premise, which I think is specious (this nation has a culture that will leave it secure from any such overreaching, and it is that culture that is our most reliable protection), if a suitcase nuke slipped through, and killed a couple of hundred thousand, and poisoned with radiation a million more, your view might lose a bit of traction. There needs to be a balance of course, but it needs to be a tough minded one. That doesn't mean that everything being done is perfecto: much of what the airports are doing doesn't make much sense, and is an overreaction, but that in the larger scheme of things is trivial, except of course for all those airlines going bankrupt.

Nobody around me is "chanting agreement with a leader". We're chanting agreement against a man who's obvious objective is to try to build himself up at the expense of the President.

I've seen the "bots" support a lot of what GWB has done, but I've also seen then denounce his signing of CFR, disagree vehemently with his stance on 245i, and grudging accept that the education bill as signed, was the best he could do without the Senate. And don't forget, that was one of the items he ran on. BTW - the dems are mad at the election bill. Seems that they forgot to read the fine print that the money is actually tied to PERFORMANCE. Schools that don't perform, don't get the increased spending. And their students can leave and take their money with them to another public or private school.

I don't shudder at the thought of future security measures. I shudder at the thought of the intelligence that has come to light in the past 11 months. Things that I probably don't want to know. I shudder to think of what kind of a man wouldn't do his job as leader of the greatest nation on earth and defend that said nation. After all, that is the one duty that the federal government is charged with in the constitution, no?

If GWB was truly interested in power grabbing via infringing on our freedoms he would have directed the terror threat "meter" to be elevated on a regular basis. Nothing works like fear to make the sheeple fall in line.

Has he done this? No, he hasn't. He has informed the public of threats when they have information. Let us know when that threat is deemed credible, and let us make up our own minds about the risks we choose to take or not take. That's why we trust this President. He gives us exactly what most conservative people want, the right to digest information and make up our own minds about what we will do with it.

And, you must have been listening to a different speech than I did in front of the joint session of congress. I never once heard GWB claim that we should be ready to give up our liberties and lives. On the contrary, he said that we should be fighting as hard as we can to preserve those very liberties and our very lives.